I had missed the laptop comparison in crowdsupply.com.
I guess it is too late to change anything, but anyway, just in case someone thinks the links are relevant:
On planned obsolescence: " The possibility of a manufacturer actually deciding to SHUT DOWN such laptops is not unthinkable. "
Other kind of computers (Revolv home automation) have already been shut down ( I think, all news I have are from one month before the deadline)
http://boingboing.net/2016/04/05/google-reaches-into-customers.html
Summary: Google (or Alphabet) buys Nest. Nest buys competitor Revolv. They announce they will OTA-brick all of 300$-a-piece Revolv home automation hubs in May 2015. Customers are left to buy something else (if they aren't already fed up).
Curious that you left out GTA04, neo900, Pyra. And the refurbished RYF laptops, which are (software) efforts to recycle old standard laptops with libreboot, and so have some FS and eco conciousness to them (by the way the Acer 201P hints that the Rockchip 3288 SOC might be usable in a future CPU card ? https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/c201.html if power allows http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/17/power-consumption-of-amlogic-s812-and... - not that Rockchip is a good company, from what I hear about GPL violations - anyway fixing the boot with JZ4775 cpu card maybe is more prioritary than designing new CPU cards).
But I learned about a lot of projects I didn't know. Thank you. I also didn't know Tegra laptops were locked down. I though there was The Jetson TK1 board that people used with 100% free software
http://embedded-computing.com/news/engineers-just-hours-get-new-nvidia-jetso...
But then Debian says it needs two blobs (firmware for graphics and USB xHCI, I don't know how usable it is without these)
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/NVIDIA/Jetson-TK1
I hoped some Tegra K1 laptop could be eventually liberated (K1 chromebooks have coreboot, no libreboot yet, and your update hints at they have already been found unliberable because of DRM in the laptops?).
Btw, sorry for the trivia and mixing topics, but are there images available of the different colours offered for the EOMA68 laptop housing ?
El Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:13:26AM +0200, Xavi Drudis Ferran deia:
Summary: Google (or Alphabet) buys Nest. Nest buys competitor Revolv. They announce they will OTA-brick all of 300$-a-piece Revolv home automation hubs in May 2015. Customers are left to buy something else (if they aren't already fed up).
Sorry, that was may 2016
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I had missed the laptop comparison in crowdsupply.com.
I guess it is too late to change anything, but anyway, just in case someone thinks the links are relevant:
On planned obsolescence: " The possibility of a manufacturer actually deciding to SHUT DOWN such laptops is not unthinkable. "
Other kind of computers (Revolv home automation) have already been shut down ( I think, all news I have are from one month before the deadline)
http://boingboing.net/2016/04/05/google-reaches-into-customers.html
Summary: Google (or Alphabet) buys Nest. Nest buys competitor Revolv. They announce they will OTA-brick all of 300$-a-piece Revolv home automation hubs in May 2015. Customers are left to buy something else (if they aren't already fed up).
waaaa i knew there was something like that, i couldn't remember it: thank you. i'll ask joshua to add that.
Curious that you left out GTA04, neo900,
... not laptops ....
Pyra.
pyra's the upgraded version of the openpandora.
And the refurbished RYF laptops, which are (software) efforts to recycle old standard laptops with libreboot, and so have some FS and eco conciousness to them
if you bear in mind that cost equates directly with the environmental impact, then add up an estimate of the amount of time and money and resources spent on reverse-engineering vs the results gained in doing so, sadly i think you'll find that recycling old standard laptops is not as effective as we'd like to think it could be.
the fact that we're "on the clock" the moment the hardware hits the shelves - bear in mind that the processor will have been out for months before that whilst the hardware manufacturer is designing a boardd around it - means that you're onto a losing game right from the moment you buy it.
*over three years* to reverse-engineer the HTC Universal's hardware. *three years*!
(by the way the Acer 201P hints that the Rockchip 3288 SOC might be usable in a future CPU card ?
except i understand the RK3288 has a proprietary bootloader...
... maybe not! that's a good sign.
if power allows http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/17/power-consumption-of-amlogic-s812-and...
datasheet says it's 6 watts.... it would be possible then to run it at 50% speed or run 2 cores at 100% and the others at much-reduced speed.... you'd also have to only use one of the 32-bit DDR3L interfaces otherwise you'd be looking at 1 to 2 watts just for memory. DDR3 800mhz @ 32 bit uses something like 0.3 to 0.4 watts. DDR3L is a drop from 1.5 to 1.2 volts (square law reduction) but by the time you ramp up to 1333mhz (again, square law) you're looking at a looot of power.
- not that Rockchip is a good company, from what I hear about GPL violations -
anyway fixing the boot with JZ4775 cpu card maybe is more prioritary than designing new CPU cards).
But I learned about a lot of projects I didn't know. Thank you. I also didn't know Tegra laptops were locked down. I though there was The Jetson TK1 board that people used with 100% free software
yeah... it's more that the feature's there, so manufacturers use it. the Surface RT is a good example, and the app store for Microsoft is being shut down in a couple of years.
http://embedded-computing.com/news/engineers-just-hours-get-new-nvidia-jetso...
But then Debian says it needs two blobs (firmware for graphics and USB xHCI, I don't know how usable it is without these)
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/NVIDIA/Jetson-TK1
I hoped some Tegra K1 laptop could be eventually liberated (K1 chromebooks have coreboot, no libreboot yet, and your update hints at they have already been found unliberable because of DRM in the laptops?).
the feature's there - like in the exynos SoCs it's a matter of whether it's enabled (as hardkernel do).
now you _could_ do your own board (and not flip the DRM-locking bit) but i've tried contacting NVIDIA.... no response. and the power requirements are bananas, anyway.
Btw, sorry for the trivia and mixing topics, but are there images available of the different colours offered for the EOMA68 laptop housing ?
i've got two made up, the purple-green you see in the news page, and then there's the silver one. i'll need to re-assemble my portable 3d printer to do any more. https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop-... http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/
also hopefully the people who are doing their PIY laptop casings, i asked crowd supply (respecting their privacy policy) to reach out on my behalf and ask them if they'd like to contact me and begin the 3D printing early.
l.
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valhalla@gmail.com wrote:
On 2016-07-18 at 15:20:56 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
Pyra.
pyra's the upgraded version of the openpandora.
and?
featurewise it's not very far from being a viable low-power laptop.
... ok, let me think it through.... i was originally thinking it was basically from the same team as the openpandora, so wasn't any different in that regard (being an illustration of the principle of open hardware with an active community base). but (a) as you say it's an updated version in its own right - and a viable low-power laptop but (b) we just had a huge discussion on their forum, it would only be fair to give them a mention and increase publicity and awareness for them.
yep, ok, convinced: i'll write something, thanks elena.
l.
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valhalla@gmail.com wrote:
On 2016-07-18 at 15:20:56 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
Pyra.
pyra's the upgraded version of the openpandora.
and?
featurewise it's not very far from being a viable low-power laptop.
... ok, let me think it through.... i was originally thinking it was basically from the same team as the openpandora, so wasn't any different in that regard (being an illustration of the principle of open hardware with an active community base). but (a) as you say it's an updated version in its own right - and a viable low-power laptop but (b) we just had a huge discussion on their forum, it would only be fair to give them a mention and increase publicity and awareness for them.
yep, ok, convinced: i'll write something, thanks elena.
i added this, it's live:
Update 18 July 2016: Several people have kindly pointed out that the Pyra Handheld games console is an update of Open Pandora, which is great to see as it means that this community has clearly reached critical mass with a sustainable business model. The only other type of open hardware project to achieve this is the Arduino series, which has a far lower technical threshold (and price point). For this community-driven handheld gaming community to reach self-sustaining financial status with such a high technical barrier is a huge call for celebration.
arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk
-
Elena ``of Valhalla'' -
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton -
Xavi Drudis Ferran