A biggish 3D printer on kickstarter:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-e...
Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume
I ordered one :)
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.
Hmm. Might have to submit this one to the Hackaday Tip Line for evaluation...
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM, joem joem@martindale-electric.co.uk wrote:
A biggish 3D printer on kickstarter:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-e...
Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume
I ordered one :)
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On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 17:41 -0400, Christopher Havel wrote:
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.
I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it. There is video of working unit.
If anything that is safer than fixed funding because fixed funding is genuine frontier project where the tools such as injection molds don't exist and promises of volume discount may not materialise. I bought Snaak for example, and they nearly went under because they estimate their tooling cost incorrectly (happily an investor stepped forward to help them).
Anyway kickstarter/indiegogo is not a place for betting. Its for frontier stuff where there is commitment to fellow techies no matter what the outcome may be.
Hmm. Might have to submit this one to the Hackaday Tip Line for evaluation...
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM, joem joem@martindale-electric.co.uk wrote: A biggish 3D printer on kickstarter:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-everyone Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume I ordered one :) _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netbook@files.phcomp.co.uk
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joem wrote:
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 17:41 -0400, Christopher Havel wrote:
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.
I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it. There is video of working unit.
I thought the whole point of crowdfunding campaigns was to deal with those situations where you had a good idea but needed a minimum ammount of committed funds to make it viable to move forward and where eaither more traditional funding routes had failed or the creator didn't want to give up control.
Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an advertising and preorder site.
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 12:58 +0100, peter green wrote:
joem wrote:
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 17:41 -0400, Christopher Havel wrote:
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.
I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it. There is video of working unit.
I thought the whole point of crowdfunding campaigns was to deal with those situations where you had a good idea but needed a minimum ammount of committed funds to make it viable to move forward and where eaither more traditional funding routes had failed or the creator didn't want to give up control.
Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an advertising and preorder site.
Exactly correct but there is a point - and it being that you are starting out but don't have much of a market presence for that new thing and so rely on the crowd to help. Indiegogo is different in allowing that kind of funding model and charge more for the service.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM, peter green plugwash@p10link.net wrote:
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it.
... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a shopping opportunity.
Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an advertising and preorder site.
in other words... a shop.
yeah this is what annoys me about tech-related crowd-funding: it's pretty much impossible to find crowdfunding sites that allow actual requests for funding to *develop* a potential product.
l.
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:33:42 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM, peter green plugwash@p10link.net wrote:
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it.
... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a shopping opportunity.
You're missing the more cynical angle: they don't have enough to make the product, *and* they don't think they'd reach the goal in a traditional crowdfunding model.
With this they take what they can get, but the product may not get made until/if they get more funding from somewhere else.
- Lauri
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Lauri Kasanen cand@gmx.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:33:42 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:58 PM, peter green plugwash@p10link.net wrote:
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit will get built because they are already building it.
... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a shopping opportunity.
You're missing the more cynical angle: they don't have enough to make the product, *and* they don't think they'd reach the goal in a traditional crowdfunding model.
With this they take what they can get, but the product may not get made until/if they get more funding from somewhere else.
true... those are always the two extremes: they did everything, they worked out the qty 1 pricing and multiplied it up, they did all the research correctly into supply, they're utilising the crowdfunding merely as a shop OR they have no idea, they lied, they are incompetent, they cannot be trusted, they don't know what they're doing, they are knowingly misleading everyone...
so it's up to you (individually) to make some reasonably sound judgement as to which side of those two extremes you wish to believe to be true.
personally if they have a working model then i'm inclined towards the former. also their location would tend to indicate a lower materials cost.
it would help if they indicated some sort of interaction with the open hardware community where their competence and committment could be assessed, along with videos of it in operation.
l.
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