Hello
"Such problems are difficult to handle by themselves. But in addition, any production run has fixed costs that, as Len Leighton, who is currently fundraising for the EOMA68 laptop, explained to me in a private email, remain very much the same regardless of how many units are built. As a result, units in a small run are more expensive, and have a hard time matching the specifications of leading manufacturers. This is a serious problem because, while idealists will buy free hardware for ethical reasons, others potential users will not consider free hardware unless its specs are competitive with the proprietary hardware sold in computer stores."
from
http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Bl...
Who is this Len person?
Bob
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 08:24:17PM +0200, Robert Wilkinson wrote:
And more pertinently
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/A-Free-Laptop-Project?utm_sour...
Bob
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Robert Wilkinson bob@fourtheye.org wrote:
Hello
hii bob
http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Bl...
Who is this Len person?
:)
well... we have 1571 backers so far (and climbing) so i think we'll do okay.
l.
On 08/24/2016 09:51 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
well... we have 1571 backers so far (and climbing) so i think we'll do okay.
You mean 1571 pledges? (Well, 1791 by now.) The number of backers is probably less because probably most people have pledged for at least two items.
By the way, have you considered watching out for government procurements once more cards are produced? Your EOMA68 cards probably are better and cheaper thin clients for VNC than what my university currently uses (which are too slow to handle VNC and only do plain X11).
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de wrote:
On 08/24/2016 09:51 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
well... we have 1571 backers so far (and climbing) so i think we'll do okay.
You mean 1571 pledges? (Well, 1791 by now.) The number of backers is probably less because probably most people have pledged for at least two items.
1846 and climing (yay!) just looking at the numbers it's 1450 actual unique backers. which is awesome.
By the way, have you considered watching out for government procurements once more cards are produced?
i look forward to working with government organisations because embarrassingly it'll be one of the ways that they can guarantee that foreign agents can't compromise them through the hardware spying backdoors that THEY ARRANGED TO GO INTO INTEL PROCESSORS.
Your EOMA68 cards probably are better and cheaper thin clients for VNC than what my university currently uses (which are too slow to handle VNC and only do plain X11).
yeahh i've set up xrdp successfully on linux and then used rdesktop to connect, it handles logins and session disconnects really well.
l.
On 08/25/2016 05:29 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
1846 and climing (yay!) just looking at the numbers it's 1450 actual unique backers. which is awesome.
Unique orders or really unique backers, as in unique delivery addresses? I have placed new orders when I thought of new uses for another card (e.g. running a web/mail server from home). (Since you said you’d ship them separately, I don’t think it matters for shipping; it’s just surprising so many people ordered a card without case/cables/breakout board/…)
By the way, have you considered watching out for government procurements once more cards are produced?
i look forward to working with government organisations because embarrassingly it'll be one of the ways that they can guarantee that foreign agents can't compromise them through the hardware spying backdoors that THEY ARRANGED TO GO INTO INTEL PROCESSORS.
Sadly I presume only cost savings and perhaps modular computing are convincing to typical government organizations. They are legally bound to save costs, but most officials presumably are not used to considering backdoors a relevant problem and not easy to convince that EOMA68 is the right solution.
Your EOMA68 cards probably are better and cheaper thin clients for VNC than what my university currently uses (which are too slow to handle VNC and only do plain X11).
yeahh i've set up xrdp successfully on linux and then used rdesktop to connect, it handles logins and session disconnects really well.
l.
This is great news. Thank you!
Regards, Florian
El Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 08:20:14PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) deia:
On 08/25/2016 05:29 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
1846 and climing (yay!) just looking at the numbers it's 1450 actual unique backers. which is awesome.
Unique orders or really unique backers, as in unique delivery addresses? I have placed new orders when I thought of new uses for another card (e.g. running a web/mail server from home). (Since you said you’d ship them separately, I don’t think it matters for shipping; it’s just surprising so many people ordered a card without case/cables/breakout board/…)
Well, now there are 463 pledges for $5 "support EOMA-68" donations. One backer can pledge seeral of those, but there are also rewards for 15 or 30 or 35, so possibly not many.
For the rest, yes, it's hard o imagine pledging only for one item. Although maybe one card alone might make sense if people already has the cables or wants to make them tehmselves or buy them locally or elsewhere.
Sadly I presume only cost savings and perhaps modular computing are convincing to typical government organizations. They are legally bound to save costs, but most officials presumably are not used to considering backdoors a relevant problem and not easy to convince that EOMA68 is the right solution.
I don't deny this, but what it's harder to believe for me is that a government organization buys in a crowfunding campaign. So this may come soon, but not yet.
On 08/25/2016 09:17 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote:
I don't deny this, but what it's harder to believe for me is that a government organization buys in a crowfunding campaign. So this may come soon, but not yet.
I wanted to mention this as an idea for the future. EU government organizations do procurements as long-term contracts on which companies have to bid. The government organization will not seek out a company and ask. On the other hand, winning a bid may secure as much funding as this crowdfunding campaign. However, I’m not familiar enough with such bids, so I may be wrong.
Regards, Florian
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de wrote:
On 08/25/2016 05:29 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
1846 and climing (yay!) just looking at the numbers it's 1450 actual unique backers. which is awesome.
Unique orders or really unique backers, as in unique delivery addresses? I have placed new orders when I thought of new uses for another card (e.g. running a web/mail server from home). (Since you said you’d ship them separately, I don’t think it matters for shipping; it’s just surprising so many people ordered a card without case/cables/breakout board/…)
remember they can get them on amazon... but also people may appreciate that they can use 2 or more. i will need to go through the list to make sure that people realise they do need cables!
l.
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