The EOMA68-Project, which aims to build a free and ethical laptop has reached 50,000 $ funding, which is 1/3 of its aim.
I am surpized, that there is not more support from the Free Software community. I thought Free Hardware (in combination with FRee software) is an urgent need.
So please consider, if you can support the project.
Paul Boddie has written a blog post why:
http://www.boddie.org.uk/david/www-repo/Personal/Updates/2016/2016-07-21.htm...
On Fri Jul 29 17:32:02 BST 2016, Wolfgang Romey wrote:
The EOMA68-Project, which aims to build a free and ethical laptop has reached 50,000 $ funding, which is 1/3 of its aim.
I am surpized, that there is not more support from the Free Software community. I thought Free Hardware (in combination with FRee software) is an urgent need.
Did you mean to send this to the FSFE Discussion list?
So please consider, if you can support the project.
Paul Boddie has written a blog post why:
repo/Personal/Updates/2016/2016-07-21.html
David, not Paul, in this case. Paul is still taking it easy. :-)
I heard from another FSFE member that your messages had arrived on the fsfe-de list, so it seems that people are taking notice.
David
Hello DAVID :-)
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2016, 19:34:46 schrieb David Boddie:
On Fri Jul 29 17:32:02 BST 2016, Wolfgang Romey wrote:
The EOMA68-Project, which aims to build a free and ethical laptop has reached 50,000 $ funding, which is 1/3 of its aim.
I am surpized, that there is not more support from the Free Software community. I thought Free Hardware (in combination with FRee software) is an urgent need.
Did you mean to send this to the FSFE Discussion list?
No, I wanted to send it to the libreplanet discussion list.
David, not Paul, in this case. Paul is still taking it easy. :-)
Sorry.
I heard from another FSFE member that your messages had arrived on the fsfe-de list, so it seems that people are taking notice.
I send this emails to the fsfe de list in german and the fsfe edu list in englisch. In the future i will send it to the libreplanet discussion list too.
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http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008504.html
yay found the fsfe-de archives, these are actually really hard to find, they're not listed publicly and can't be found with a google search.
l.
Ah. I did not realize, that I cannot reach this list with the email adress I use for the fesfe lists. So it makes no sense, sending the emails the fsfe list (fsfe de and edu) with cc to this list. I will stop the CCs. You can be shure, that the content of this emails is the same as the content of the post to diaspora and loadaverage.
Wolfgang
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2016, 20:33:30 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008504.html
yay found the fsfe-de archives, these are actually really hard to find, they're not listed publicly and can't be found with a google search.
l.
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wolfgang, hi, i ran this one through google translate: http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008455.html
whilst i can reply cc to marcus directly, what i cannot do is reply into the conversation at the right point in the thread (because i am not subscribed, and gmane is now gone... argh!) - could i ask you to forward this on, on my behalf?
marcus, you wrote (in german):
The proposed processor comes from Allwinner. This manufacturer is only known for a variety of GPL violations.
Personally, I would therefore rather refrain from support of the project.
you're wrong about the GPL violations on the A20, although i can fully understand the misunderstanding. but that's beside the point: the alternatives are much *much* worse. would you prefer that we used a processor that was DRM-locked? or that had Treacherous Zone? or that had a back-door co-processor that could do arbitrary remote code-execution without your knowledge? or that booted up from proprietary DRM-locked arbitrary signed AND ENCRYPTED bootloaders either from the GPU or from the main CPU itself?
all of these processors exist with *all* of the above absolutely terrible and totally unethical designs *BUILT IN*.
by total contrast, the Allwinner A20 is:
(a) "unbrickable". it was designed this way so that there is **ABSOLUTELY NO WAY** that any accidental application of DRM by an incompetent China OEM could "lock" the product containing an A20 by mistake. turns out that this is perfect for ensuring that people can upload their own OS.
(b) entirely GPL-compliant. this has taken a *LOT* of work by the software libre community, pressurising allwinner and carrying out reverse-engineering over many years. to say "i will refrain from support of the project" is therefore, if i may be absolutely blunt, quite disrespectful to the people who's hard work in the linux-sunxi community has brought you this OPPORTUNITY to completely own your own hardware, free from spyware.
the situation with allwinner is complex. there are many extremely powerful investors who in Chinese Society are "above the pay-grade" of the Directors in terms of China "Social Status". this is causing them huge problems internally, despite the **DIRECT** wishes of the Vice President!
it is a very strange situation that could really only happen in china. far from ostracising and boycotting them, we need instead to *BUY* products that are GPL-compliant, so that the Vice President has a way to say, "look, these products are fully compliant with the GPL and they're SELLING REALLY WELL".
if you boycott the entire company, that actually fucks up everything i'm trying to achieve, and actually DESTROYS any opportunity to introduce software freedom.
l.
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On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008504.html
yay found the fsfe-de archives, these are actually really hard to find, they're not listed publicly and can't be found with a google search.
l.
hi wolfgang could you forward this for me, in reply to this message? many thanks
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008460.html
There is no evidence that this includes a backdoor, but this is difficult to verify. Therefore, I write that this is a rumor (also known as FUD).
the logic here is totally wrong, marcus, so the conclusion is false. if it cannot be verified it MUST be assumed to be treacherous. it's not a "maybe it is, maybe it isn't" and therefore we can dismiss it: in the security arena, if it's ANY kind of "maybe" we have to assume "YES".
this guideline actually comes from the Intelligence Community. the Intelligence Community's "worst nightmare" is *NOT KNOWING* if something is insecure. if you KNOW that something is insecure, you can deal with it. but if you DON'T KNOW, you must absolutely, absolutely assume the worst case scenario.
the FSF's rules are very very clear: if the source is not available, it cannot be trusted - period. there's no way round that. making compromises along the lines of "we're not sure" is not in the slightest bit a possibility that can be considered.
remember: Intel's own "spokeman" will be TOTALLY cut off from the people who will have had the "gag order" slapped round their mouths when the NSA came round and said, "hello, we don't want to make it difficult for you to get Export Licenses for Intel Processors, but we're gonna have to have that secret key on the backdoor processor. oh, and if you ever talk about this conversation to anyone, you get a one-way ticket to guantanamo bay".
i hope you don't mind me pointing this out, marcus, but i am actually very surprised - and a little alarmed - to have to be explaining this to someone on the FSF Europe's own mailing lists.
l.
Hallo Luke,
i think it makes no sense forwarding your email to the list and to marcus. I have the impression, that marcus cannot accept the fact that he is wrong.
Never the less, i will use your arguments on the mailing list.
Wolfgang
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2016, 21:09:14 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
wolfgang, hi, i ran this one through google translate: http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008455.html
whilst i can reply cc to marcus directly, what i cannot do is reply into the conversation at the right point in the thread (because i am not subscribed, and gmane is now gone... argh!) - could i ask you to forward this on, on my behalf?
marcus, you wrote (in german):
The proposed processor comes from Allwinner. This manufacturer is only known for a variety of GPL violations.
Personally, I would therefore rather refrain from support of the project.
you're wrong about the GPL violations on the A20, although i can fully understand the misunderstanding. but that's beside the point: the alternatives are much *much* worse. would you prefer that we used a processor that was DRM-locked? or that had Treacherous Zone? or that had a back-door co-processor that could do arbitrary remote code-execution without your knowledge? or that booted up from proprietary DRM-locked arbitrary signed AND ENCRYPTED bootloaders either from the GPU or from the main CPU itself?
all of these processors exist with *all* of the above absolutely terrible and totally unethical designs *BUILT IN*.
by total contrast, the Allwinner A20 is:
(a) "unbrickable". it was designed this way so that there is **ABSOLUTELY NO WAY** that any accidental application of DRM by an incompetent China OEM could "lock" the product containing an A20 by mistake. turns out that this is perfect for ensuring that people can upload their own OS.
(b) entirely GPL-compliant. this has taken a *LOT* of work by the software libre community, pressurising allwinner and carrying out reverse-engineering over many years. to say "i will refrain from support of the project" is therefore, if i may be absolutely blunt, quite disrespectful to the people who's hard work in the linux-sunxi community has brought you this OPPORTUNITY to completely own your own hardware, free from spyware.
the situation with allwinner is complex. there are many extremely powerful investors who in Chinese Society are "above the pay-grade" of the Directors in terms of China "Social Status". this is causing them huge problems internally, despite the **DIRECT** wishes of the Vice President!
it is a very strange situation that could really only happen in china. far from ostracising and boycotting them, we need instead to *BUY* products that are GPL-compliant, so that the Vice President has a way to say, "look, these products are fully compliant with the GPL and they're SELLING REALLY WELL".
if you boycott the entire company, that actually fucks up everything i'm trying to achieve, and actually DESTROYS any opportunity to introduce software freedom.
l.
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-de/2016-July/008504.html
yay found the fsfe-de archives, these are actually really hard to find, they're not listed publicly and can't be found with a google search.
l.
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On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Wolfgang Romey hier@wolfgangromey.de wrote:
Hallo Luke,
i think it makes no sense forwarding your email to the list and to marcus. I have the impression, that marcus cannot accept the fact that he is wrong.
i'm going to be really, really blunt. marcus's perspective is to be frank bloody dangerous. i have no idea why he's even actually on the fsfe's lists *at all*. i've written him off already, but what *is* really useful is that his ignorance allows an opportunity to educate others.
Never the less, i will use your arguments on the mailing list.
i think that's really, really important. i was really shocked that someone *WHO SUPPORTS THE FSF* can be so blatantly ignorant of the effects of the intel backdoor co-processor, unable to effectively do simple security-threat analysis, and to be unable to do simple logical analysis of the detrimental consequences to the FSF of boycotting.
i'd understand if it was somebody who is *not* on an FSF supporter mailing list, that's perfectly understandable, but someone who's an active supporter should f*****g well know better.
l.
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