I found this message...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-08/msg00048.html
...via the Libreboot site...
...which currently features the following text:
"Please back the EOMA68 libre laptop. They are seeking RYF endorsement from the FSF and the FSF have published an article about them already. All they need is to win backing for the project, so that they can start shipping. If they succeed, we want to integrate the firmware for it into libreboot. See this mailing list post."
The message itself includes this:
"If you can afford to buy one, please back that campaign. I will be doing so too. We're working on integrating a new build system in libreboot which should make uboot and other boot firmware besides coreboot easier to merge. EOMA68 is the first non-coreboot target that I'm interested in for the next release of libreboot."
Paul
I published it on diaspora*, gnusocial and the fefe-de-mailing-list.
Wolfgang
Am 22.08.2016 um 20:26 schrieb Paul Boddie:
I found this message...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-08/msg00048.html
...via the Libreboot site...
...which currently features the following text:
"Please back the EOMA68 libre laptop. They are seeking RYF endorsement from the FSF and the FSF have published an article about them already. All they need is to win backing for the project, so that they can start shipping. If they succeed, we want to integrate the firmware for it into libreboot. See this mailing list post."
The message itself includes this:
"If you can afford to buy one, please back that campaign. I will be doing so too. We're working on integrating a new build system in libreboot which should make uboot and other boot firmware besides coreboot easier to merge. EOMA68 is the first non-coreboot target that I'm interested in for the next release of libreboot."
Paul
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Paul Boddie paul@boddie.org.uk wrote:
I found this message...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-08/msg00048.html
cooool! they're interested in porting libreboot to the A20.
l.
* Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net [160822 20:49]:
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Paul Boddie paul@boddie.org.uk wrote:
I found this message...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-08/msg00048.html
cooool! they're interested in porting libreboot to the A20.
That would not make much sense would it? Apart from the U-Boot stuff to setup the A20, what good is a BIOS replacement on ARM machines?
Maybe I am getting it all wrong though...
The post in itself is awesome!
Cheers,
Christian
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org wrote:
cooool! they're interested in porting libreboot to the A20.
That would not make much sense would it? Apart from the U-Boot stuff to setup the A20, what good is a BIOS replacement on ARM machines?
i guess we'll find out what's possible.
l.
El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 08:54:20PM +0200, Christian Kellermann deia:
- Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net [160822 20:49]:
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Paul Boddie paul@boddie.org.uk wrote:
I found this message...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-08/msg00048.html
cooool! they're interested in porting libreboot to the A20.
That would not make much sense would it? Apart from the U-Boot stuff to setup the A20, what good is a BIOS replacement on ARM machines?
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation), or take other coreboot payloads, like SO verification and so on. There is coreboot for several ARM processors, in most if not all ARM chromebooks, at least the tegra K1 and rockchip 3268).
But what I understood from the message you link is that libreboot is a distribution of coreboot (which cleans out the proprietary parts, etc. because it has other goals, but also adds some tested configurations and build infraestructure for the toolchain, coreboot, payloads, etc.). But they are considering in the future to be a distribution of coreboot _and u-boot_. I don't understand they want to port coreboot to the A20, but to include u-boot (for the A-20 or more generally?) into libreboot. See if payloads can be reused for u-boot, or at least if the build infraestructure and documentation can include it.
The goal of libreboot is distributing firmware for as many computers as possible that allows to use as much of them as possible with 100% free software. Usually ARM hardware is not too usable with 100% free software (except OMAP, freescale, and maybe some others) so u-boot was not too useful for the computers they support until now. Leah just knew of an ARM computer that might work with 100% free software and just thought her goal is more easy to achieve incorporating u-boot than porting coreboot to the A-20 and then updating the coreboot version in libreboot to get that support.
There might be the idea to port SeaBIOS to ARM. I can't outright dismiss it, but I can't think right now of what advantages it would have. The point is supporting legacy interfaces (to be able to boot from a CD, or paint to the screen or read from the keyboard form an OS without an specific driver for the GPU or KBD...) But any legacy code still calling BIOS would be x86, I guess. So once the BIOS is ported you would have to port the BIOS client applications or OSes.
* Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat [160822 21:45]: [excellent explanation snipped]
Thanks for clarifying! This makes sense to me now!
Kind regards,
Christian
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation),
UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that implements it is the iMX6.
or take other coreboot payloads,
that makes sense.
The goal of libreboot is distributing firmware for as many computers as possible that allows to use as much of them as possible with 100% free software.
... but if you don't *need* any firmware...
There might be the idea to port SeaBIOS to ARM. I can't outright dismiss it, but I can't think right now of what advantages it would have.
mmm... having a more "standard" VGA / login would be nice... but normally you have that to change settings such as "which hard drive to boot from". there aren't any hard drives... :)
so, we'll see how it goes.
l.
El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:55:18PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation),
UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that implements it is the iMX6.
Maybe the ARM chromebooks use UEFI, I don't remember.
Anyway, some ARM boards start to take PCI peripherals, and then you have to enumerate, allocate resources, initialise, run option ROMs (hopefully optional or free, but often not)... Coreboot already had this kind of stuff done. I don't know if with u-boot you could attach a sata controller to the PCI port of an ARM board and boot from a sata disk attached to that controller.
Things like this, I think. But I don't really remember well.
Neat, I emailed the guy behind libreboot thinkpads in the UK (and this message tallies with that,though I didn't comment as to ARM libreboot changes) that he should support the campaign.
Russell for my sins, doing dev work on an apple mac :)
On 22/08/2016, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:55:18PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation),
UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that implements it is the iMX6.
Maybe the ARM chromebooks use UEFI, I don't remember.
Anyway, some ARM boards start to take PCI peripherals, and then you have to enumerate, allocate resources, initialise, run option ROMs (hopefully optional or free, but often not)... Coreboot already had this kind of stuff done. I don't know if with u-boot you could attach a sata controller to the PCI port of an ARM board and boot from a sata disk attached to that controller.
Things like this, I think. But I don't really remember well.
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I mean: minifree.org - that's where I have my thinkpad / libreboot from - and the guy I emailed last week
On 22/08/2016, Russell Hyer russell.hyer@gmail.com wrote:
Neat, I emailed the guy behind libreboot thinkpads in the UK (and this message tallies with that,though I didn't comment as to ARM libreboot changes) that he should support the campaign.
Russell for my sins, doing dev work on an apple mac :)
On 22/08/2016, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:55:18PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation),
UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that implements it is the iMX6.
Maybe the ARM chromebooks use UEFI, I don't remember.
Anyway, some ARM boards start to take PCI peripherals, and then you have to enumerate, allocate resources, initialise, run option ROMs (hopefully optional or free, but often not)... Coreboot already had this kind of stuff done. I don't know if with u-boot you could attach a sata controller to the PCI port of an ARM board and boot from a sata disk attached to that controller.
Things like this, I think. But I don't really remember well.
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I would guess UEFI support is more about the data center market than about technical capability.
ARM want to get more chips into Data Centers and brought out specifications called SBSA (Server Base System Architecture) and SBBR (Server Base Boot Requirements), for suppliers to stick to. SBBR names a bunch of required things, including UEFI.
SBSA is meant to make large scale management of ARM-based hardware more uniform and less scary for DC purchasers. Standards compliance is reassuring for anyone who doesn’t fully understand what they are getting themselves into, and in the computer world nobody fully understands what they are getting themselves into. Take EOMA68, for example. That’s a great standard to comply to.
But who knows, I could be way off the mark here.
ARM, SBSA, UEFI, and ACPI By Jonathan Corbet February 5, 2014 https://lwn.net/Articles/584123/
On 22 Aug 2016, at 23:34, Russell Hyer russell.hyer@gmail.com wrote:
I mean: minifree.org - that's where I have my thinkpad / libreboot from - and the guy I emailed last week
On 22/08/2016, Russell Hyer russell.hyer@gmail.com wrote:
Neat, I emailed the guy behind libreboot thinkpads in the UK (and this message tallies with that,though I didn't comment as to ARM libreboot changes) that he should support the campaign.
Russell for my sins, doing dev work on an apple mac :)
On 22/08/2016, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:55:18PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral initialisation),
UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that implements it is the iMX6.
Maybe the ARM chromebooks use UEFI, I don't remember.
Anyway, some ARM boards start to take PCI peripherals, and then you have to enumerate, allocate resources, initialise, run option ROMs (hopefully optional or free, but often not)... Coreboot already had this kind of stuff done. I don't know if with u-boot you could attach a sata controller to the PCI port of an ARM board and boot from a sata disk attached to that controller.
Things like this, I think. But I don't really remember well.
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