Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new email. Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. Because it is about 150000eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse engineering and the outcome is uncertain.
I agree on his arguments. I do not find them strong enough. Maybe lkcl assumed it was about a mali gpu on a pc card. It was not. My question was a general question about getting a broadly known mali gpu reverse engineered. In my email I referenced the https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1771382379/firefly-rk3399-six-core-64-b... because according to lkcl it is as fast as a duo core intel mainboard and only the mali gpu software is not source code.
There is no new arm source code computer for sale. I think one should be provided. People must be able to get one. 150000eu is a crowd funding of 30000 people, each 5eu. I would pay an extra 5eu to be able to buy a source code computer.
I do not know if 30000 people are interested or if they can agree on one board. You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it?
Hooooooooooooooold up there, Baba Looey! (for reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quick_Draw_McGraw_Show)
30k is *not* a small number! 30k is a very large number. If I had 30k pennies in my bank account right now, instead of the 44 presently there, I'd be a happy man right now. I'd have three hundred dollars.
My entire town is 8k people. The county within which it sits is ~42k. You are talking two thirds of the population of a slightly rural North Carolina county.
I hope you're a real good salesman... or that you can and do hire one. You are talking what amounts to amassing a moderately-sized army in kickstarter terms (I use the word "kickstarter" generically here). That is a (pardon me) f*ckton of enthusiasm to drum up.
That said... I wish you luck. You're going to need it!
If you can get a crowdfund on a used/widely spread (and if lucky still in production) mali gpu and put the code under gpl you'll have 5 bucks and my voice around the people I know. The problem is always media coverage. You need to take examples on (ugh I have to say it) hype campaigns.
I wish you luck. Freely BERNARD
Le 22/05/2017 00:06, ronwirring@Safe-mail.net a écrit :
Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new email. Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. Because it is about 150000eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse engineering and the outcome is uncertain.
I agree on his arguments. I do not find them strong enough. Maybe lkcl assumed it was about a mali gpu on a pc card. It was not. My question was a general question about getting a broadly known mali gpu reverse engineered. In my email I referenced the https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1771382379/firefly-rk3399-six-core-64-b... because according to lkcl it is as fast as a duo core intel mainboard and only the mali gpu software is not source code.
There is no new arm source code computer for sale. I think one should be provided. People must be able to get one. 150000eu is a crowd funding of 30000 people, each 5eu. I would pay an extra 5eu to be able to buy a source code computer.
I do not know if 30000 people are interested or if they can agree on one board. You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it?
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2017-05-22 0:06 GMT+02:00 ronwirring@safe-mail.net:
Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new email. Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. Because it is about 150000eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse engineering and the outcome is uncertain.
I agree on his arguments.
I assume you don not agree.
150000eu is a crowd funding of 30000 people, each 5eu. I would pay an
extra 5eu to be able to buy a source code computer.
Th issue with revese engineering the MALI gpu's is not justs about money. ARM ltd. actively Seeks and destroys attempts on a OSS mail driver.
So that money needed is not only going to coding but is probably also needed for legel fees and marketing against the smear and laster campaign.
They have already made one person's life very difficult: http://libv.livejournal.com/
I do not know if 30000 people are interested or if they can agree on one board.
But freeing MALI would help a lot of devices out there. So I'd trough in some bucks. RE'ing MALI would not be for just one board.
You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it?
Finding the right minds and right amount of them working on the same thing is a hard equation.
You could add me to that team but my skills would be of limited use. Adding someone of the same skill set would probably be even less effective.
So more money or more people is not the solutions. The right people and the right amount is needed.
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Le 22/05/2017 12:05, mike.valk@gmail.com a écrit :
2017-05-22 0:06 GMT+02:00 ronwirring@safe-mail.net:
Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new email. Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. Because it is about 150000eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse engineering and the outcome is uncertain.
I agree on his arguments.
I assume you don not agree.
150000eu is a crowd funding of 30000 people, each 5eu. I would pay an
extra 5eu to be able to buy a source code computer.
Th issue with revese engineering the MALI gpu's is not justs about money. ARM ltd. actively Seeks and destroys attempts on a OSS mail driver.
So that money needed is not only going to coding but is probably also needed for legel fees and marketing against the smear and laster campaign.
They have already made one person's life very difficult: http://libv.livejournal.com/
Ho yes I remember that now. The thing is, is that one wants to avoid to be persecuted you have to: -Avoid electronic money (or at least one that doesn't tie your real name too it). -Having your name tied to the project it (staying anonymous) -Having people who don't have a lot to loose (if they can stay anonymous this isn't a big problem). -Having a server that won't reveal the ID of the people participating on the project (Tor or GNUnet only) There are some projects that exist already on these mesh networks.
The problem will always be money and official crowdfunding systems that needs to have IDs (which is kinda normal).
I do not know if 30000 people are interested or if they can agree on one board.
But freeing MALI would help a lot of devices out there. So I'd trough in some bucks. RE'ing MALI would not be for just one board.
You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it?
Finding the right minds and right amount of them working on the same thing is a hard equation.
You could add me to that team but my skills would be of limited use. Adding someone of the same skill set would probably be even less effective.
So more money or more people is not the solutions. The right people and the right amount is needed.
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On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:01 PM, mdn bernardlprf@openmailbox.org wrote:
The thing is, is that one wants to avoid to be persecuted you have to: -Avoid electronic money (or at least one that doesn't tie your real name too it). -Having your name tied to the project it (staying anonymous) -Having people who don't have a lot to loose (if they can stay anonymous this isn't a big problem). -Having a server that won't reveal the ID of the people participating on the project (Tor or GNUnet only) There are some projects that exist already on these mesh networks.
Crowdfunding and anonymity DO NOT go together.
I'm not backing a project from some random hacker via bitcoin or Western Union, nope not going to happen.
There are enough problems with crowdfunding campaigns that aren't anonymous, the way I see it.
I'd crowdfund a legitimate (non-anonymous campaign) to (A) raise awareness for the need of FOSS graphics drivers, (B) help fund a legal group to make it easier for hackers and hobbyists to reverse engineer what they have purchased, or (C) raise funds to help individuals like Luc Verhaegen that have gotten smeared but want to keep fighting. Or (D) if anyone in a matter of years/decades/whatever is crazy enough to attempt a completely FOSS GPU core which won't come cheap or easy. Something like Project VGA but scaled up in complexity and down in size.
But that's about it. Other people's mileage many vary. But being that Wikipedia and other sources aren't even really mentioning all of the litigation and smearing going on, I'd suggest to start by maybe getting the word out, maybe edit a few wikipedia pages to make that a bit more apparent. I don't even see it mentioned in the talk pages. This group was literally the first time that I've heard of it.
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:06 AM, ronwirring@safe-mail.net wrote:
I do not know if 30000 people are interested or if they can agree on one board. You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it?
Look at what happened to Luc Verhaegen. Arm has destroyed his life. The company is hard at work killing any attempt at a libre driver. You will have a hard time finding people willing to work for this. Also 30k is a lot of people for a kickstarter.
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