On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:

Sent it to the two friends of mine who I thought were the likeliest to have any potential interest...

thanks chris.

While I hope the crowdfunding will go phenomenally well, I should probably point out that there needs to be a contingency plan for what to do if the response isn't even lukewarm... ;)

we set the bar (MOQ) quite low and the... can't call it sale price because that's not actually what it is... :) we set the "gift level where you will happen to receive a reward" high enough to cover even a modest order quantity.

and, the plan is, that if it goes above that then YAY! we can put in some fantastic extra things like additional OSes, FCC/CE Certification paid-for, and a few extra things besides.

so depending on what the volumes are, it develops more polish.

but the nice touch which is being investigated right now is a beautiful _wooden_ case. we can do that because it's such a low-power computer. it'll be available as an option.

l.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:

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a beautiful _wooden_ case. we can do that because it's such a low-power computer. it'll be available as an option.

OOOooooohh... that sounds nice :D do we have even a vague idea of what it'll look like?

metal fascia plates and rounded curved wood panels.

Oh -- and if we don't -- I'm an artist, would you like some concepts? :D ( /shamelessplug )

yeah of course!

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On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:02 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:

Curved wood is expensive ;)

ehh well luckily it'll be small. remember that these are the same people who helped with the novena laptop

do you have a concept image so far?

naah. brushed aluminium front and back plates (see photos of micro-desktop for holes) then case is 4.5in x 3.5in x about 0.5 maybe 0.6in.

cost shouldnt be too bad. two halves wood so not a 1 piece.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:

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a beautiful _wooden_ case. we can do that because it's such a low-power computer. it'll be available as an option.

OOOooooohh... that sounds nice :D do we have even a vague idea of what it'll look like?

metal fascia plates and rounded curved wood panels.

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Oh -- and if we don't -- I'm an artist, would you like some concepts? :D ( /shamelessplug )

yeah of course!

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:

ehh good man.

Thanks! Not to be a pest, but contingency plans are good ;) I hope there is one and that I just missed the memo about it...

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Nico Rikken nico@nicorikken.eu wrote:

Great news!

I'm already notifying my friends about this.

great.

In that regard: how 'open' and 'free' is the EOMA68 standard?

it's open: anyone may implement interoperable variants, however due to the risk of physical injury if someone gets the implementation wrong it would be highly irresponsible of me not to go after anyone that gets the standard wrong.

is that a reasonable and responsible thing to do, do you think? to protect people from potential harm?

I have seen many specs

there is only one and there will only ever be one place, and it's here: http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68

and details on the elinux wiki, on the rhombus-tech website and on this mailinglist (so open), but I also remember a few emails about 'EOMA Compliancy' around the 27th of May this year (how free?). I then mentioned the Arduino model and am curious if any decisions have been made on this point.

it's very simple: i am the guardian of the EOMA standards and i *will* not let the standards either be brought into disrepute nor let people come to harm through incompetent 3rd party implementation. it is completely irrelevant whether they are open hardware teams or proprietary companies.

this is *mass volume*. it's intended for kids toys, day-to-day electronics and for use by grandma, your parents, and the average teenager. as such i have a duty of responsibility to protect such people and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can say which will convince me *not* to take that responsibility extremely seriously.

the arduino model expects the end-user to be an educated and responsible electronics expert, and the volumes of sales are a fraction of those for which EOMA68 has been designed. the chances therefore of someone killing themselves or others around them through the incompetence of a third party hardware implementer are really quite remote, but that is NOT the case with the EOMA68 standards.

so i will not charge a royalty for open hardware implementations but i *WILL* expect them to go through a proper and full Certification process. statistically the risks are simply far too great to permit anything else.

now, if this was a project that was of similar scope (comparatively limited) and reach (comparatively limited) to the Arduino project [an electronics hobbyist project], then their model would be relevant.

so - is that now clear?

l.