ok so to start the new campaign, an image is needed. not a logo, an *image*. something that "represents" a chip and its potential uses and usefulness in a real and concrete way.
the problem is: this is a fabless semi-conductor design... there *is* no chip, there *is* nothing to put out there, and because it's just one component that goes *into* products, there *is* no frickin product either! a confusing jumbled utterly boring montage of hypothetical products would be needed.
even more of a conundrum: even putting up a picture of some BGA or QFP packaging isn't ok either, because depending on the final pincount, *AND* on large customer orders, the chip will be *custom packaged* and tailored to their needs (i.e. the same die will have far more interfaces added than there are actual pins, and the die re-packaged to suit the customer's needs, leaving many of the pads disconnected internally or connected internally to other dies).
if you look at every single campaign there is a nice "image". it's either the first frame of the video, or it's a really cool-looking shot of a PCB, or a 1in cubic robot: https://www.crowdsupply.com/william-weiler-engineering/skoobot
logos are out, although not completely ruled out. if anyone would like to convert the attached to PNG (with a variant placing a circle behind the square) that would be really helpful.
so this is the challenge: come up with a suitable place-holder image.
l.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:22 PM Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
How about a low-res-ish image of the die?
there isn't one.... and cannot be one.
the project requires the funding *in order* to create the very die that is proposed to be added as the image to attract the funding that will allow the die to be made.
and, depending on backing, the die will be utterly different anyway.
l.
https://libre-riscv.org/shakti/m_class/
about the closest that could possibly be got is a form of high-level block diagram (see image at above link).
Second-best idea... I've seen older datasheets for 74xx parts where they've put the image for the chip die *plan*. It always looks like it got copied on a cheap fax machine that had never ever been cleaned of toner -- but it's, you know, /there/.
Since what you want is a "representative" image -- put up the chip die plan for the most basic of configurations, without any extras, and *include in the image* a caption explaining that that's what it is -- the base configuration, and that said configuration can and will be customized later for individuals and companies with enough clout and MOQ.
Sorry for getting back to you so quickly. :)
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 23:16:38 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
ok so to start the new campaign, an image is needed. not a logo, an *image*. something that "represents" a chip and its potential uses and usefulness in a real and concrete way.
the problem is: this is a fabless semi-conductor design... there *is* no chip, there *is* nothing to put out there, and because it's just one component that goes *into* products, there *is* no frickin product either! a confusing jumbled utterly boring montage of hypothetical products would be needed.
even more of a conundrum: even putting up a picture of some BGA or QFP packaging isn't ok either, because depending on the final pincount, *AND* on large customer orders, the chip will be *custom packaged* and tailored to their needs (i.e. the same die will have far more interfaces added than there are actual pins, and the die re-packaged to suit the customer's needs, leaving many of the pads disconnected internally or connected internally to other dies).
if you look at every single campaign there is a nice "image". it's either the first frame of the video, or it's a really cool-looking shot of a PCB, or a 1in cubic robot: https://www.crowdsupply.com/william-weiler-engineering/skoobot
logos are out, although not completely ruled out.
As you said, it's a cat and mouse game. But I created something anyway. Take a photo of your face when you see it... It has 2 advantages. 1: Every techy knows what it is. 2: Every techy knows that you are going to create something similar because there is no way on God's green earth it's going to look identical.
if anyone would like to convert the attached to PNG (with a variant placing a circle behind the square) that would be really helpful.
The attached *is* a png. But I'm guessing you wanted an image from gimp... The problem is that you never said what size you wanted it or what color you wanted the circle... So, I'm making up for that by using an svg (inkscape), and then outputting two little images for your viewing pleasure. You can use the original and blow it up to an arbitrary size. Or customize it.
BTW: Did your daughter help draw it for you? It's a great opportunity for dady time. :)
so this is the challenge: come up with a suitable place-holder image.
See above.
I've been wanting to tell you of the 4 people who I think are supporting you in an open GPU endeavor. In addition to myself and the Indian fellow I was remembering that thinkpenguin supported your efforts once before and would probably do so again:
On 04/23/2017 01:07 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
so that's when he [chris from thinkpenguin] contacted me, to sponsor the 15.6in libre laptop.
And I seem to remember the head of crowdsupply was interested in sponsoring you for something, but I may be thinking of someone else.
Also, and this is pertinent, the reason I was able to contribute on such short notice is because I was going through the political candidates and got done early. You see, one of the guys running for CFO (Chief Financial Officer), of FL is named Patronis. Being a republican I expected a totally out of touch set of view points but he said (this is not word for word), such things as, "We are using a SW system that is not interpolatable with anyone else's." Surprise! "We currently have a bunch of 70 year olds running the system and I am being advertised to by this vendor and that vendor and I'm thinking that we will have to buy their labor force from outside the state to run the new system!" Shock! And, "The way to combat corruption is transparency. This is 2018! We have the technology, we just have to flick the switch." I think I passed out after hearing this level of intelligence from a politician. If you look him up I have to warn you, he was really hard to hear (16-bit audio at 128K!). If he gets elected he might be a good opensource advocate within the government. But I am not planning to talk to him myself about it.
Sincerely, David
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:18 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Sorry for getting back to you so quickly. :)
*snort* - i made up for it by completely failing to notice the admin messages...
As you said, it's a cat and mouse game. But I created something anyway.
oooo i looove the 3D one! can you fit "Libre" above that for me? i *love* the font and the whole thing, it's awesome.
Take a photo of your face when you see it... It has 2 advantages. 1: Every techy knows what it is. 2: Every techy knows that you are going to create something similar because there is no way on God's green earth it's going to look identical.
:)
if anyone would like to convert the attached to PNG (with a variant placing a circle behind the square) that would be really helpful.
The attached *is* a png. But I'm guessing you wanted an image from gimp... The problem is that you never said what size you wanted it or what color you wanted the circle... So, I'm making up for that by using an svg (inkscape), and then outputting two little images for your viewing pleasure. You can use the original and blow it up to an arbitrary size. Or customize it.
can you send me the svgs, i'm assuming inkscape can deal with resizing of the primitive shapes: gimp i'd need to obviously do pixel-level editing
BTW: Did your daughter help draw it for you?
yes :)
It's a great opportunity for dady time. :)
that was the plan :)
so this is the challenge: come up with a suitable place-holder image.
See above.
I've been wanting to tell you of the 4 people who I think are supporting you in an open GPU endeavor.
nice! in what capacity?
And I seem to remember the head of crowdsupply was interested in sponsoring you for something, but I may be thinking of someone else.
he definitely wants the libre-riscv campaign to start.
Also, and this is pertinent, the reason I was able to contribute on such short notice is because I was going through the political candidates and got done early. You see, one of the guys running for CFO (Chief Financial Officer), of FL is named Patronis.
"We currently have a bunch of 70 year olds running the system and I am being advertised to by this vendor and that vendor and I'm thinking that we will have to buy their labor force from outside the state to run the new system!" Shock!
what's *wrong* with politicians these days?? they're supposed to be... be... :)
that's actually really sensible, to put it in terms of labour market impact.
And, "The way to combat corruption is transparency. This is 2018! We have the technology, we just have to flick the switch." I think I passed out after hearing this level of intelligence from a politician.
good god :)
http://bugs.libre-riscv.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38
david i'm really excited about that 3D-looking one, i love it. could you modify the words to:
LIBRE RISC- V
or, let me know how the heck you did it, and send me the source code?
l.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 05:36:58 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
Ah, a bug report for... brain storming? Cheater :)
David i'm really excited about that 3D-looking one, i love it.
Don't misunderstand me, I am really happy to hear that you like it, luke, REALLY!!! I just don't want to get you in trouble for taking an example to a commercial use.
According to: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/post-your-ryzen-blender-demo-scores-amd... This AMD guy appears to know something of the blend file, but I don't have a reddit account. https://www.reddit.com/user/AMD_james
Could you modify the words to:
LIBRE RISC- V
Done and attached!
or, let me know how the heck you did it, and send me the source code?
Attached!
Tell me what you decide! My current time is 20:07 EST. I will be here till 00:00 EST (2 hours).
Sincerely, David
PS: Just to be extra clear. Luke I had NO idea you were unaware of the Ryzen launch complete with blender benchmark. I thought you would recognize that is where I got the original blend from. Maybe you did and you know what the license is, but maybe you did not.
PPS: AFAIK, various forums and websites have already used this and since they are for-profit entities it follows that you might conclude that it is in fact suitable for your campaign.
Sincerely, David
Luke, I live in EST and until Friday I will be away from my keyboard most days during working hours and then dinner time comes (and no, I really can't skip dinner due to health reasons).
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 05:32:58 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:18 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Sorry for getting back to you so quickly. :)
*snort* - i made up for it by completely failing to notice the admin messages...
ROFL
As you said, it's a cat and mouse game. But I created something anyway.
oooo i looove the 3D one! can you fit "Libre" above that for me? i *love* the font and the whole thing, it's awesome.
You're kidding?! No, you're not! Luke, that is AMD's Ryzen benchmark with their CPU featured in the picture! I changed the letters, added our logo, and removed their orange one! As for the font, I know I try hard to do my best work, each and every time, but it was HAND DRAWN WITHOUT PRACTICE (excluding the R from Ryzen :) ). Remember your 30 sec price estimation? This is my 3 hour blender cool thing creation! I haven't touched blender in years! Until now...
I aught to check the license... Ok, I can't find anything on AMD's website about the file at all. I've also tried searching in several places throughout the web without success. The file itself does not, but can, contain a license. I downloaded it directly from AMD so no chance of file alteration. http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend A big company not specifying a license??? This is unheard of!
What are you planning to use these things for?
I could create my own CPU without any chance of copyright problems, but the soonest I could have it done is Sunday.
I'll work on the rest of the lettering and send it later. Tell me what I should do about the license and blend...
Take a photo of your face when you see it... It has 2 advantages. 1: Every techy knows what it is. 2: Every techy knows that you are going to create something similar because there is no way on God's green earth it's going to look identical.
:)
if anyone would like to convert the attached to PNG (with a variant placing a circle behind the square) that would be really helpful.
The attached *is* a png. But I'm guessing you wanted an image from gimp... The problem is that you never said what size you wanted it or what color you wanted the circle... So, I'm making up for that by using an svg (inkscape), and then outputting two little images for your viewing pleasure. You can use the original and blow it up to an arbitrary size. Or customize it.
can you send me the svgs, i'm assuming inkscape can deal with resizing of the primitive shapes: gimp i'd need to obviously do pixel-level editing
<snip>
Ummm, I included the SVG in the last email, just delete the green circle and there you go! Maybe you did not get it? Attaching again.
Sincerely, David
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 1:29 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Luke, I live in EST and until Friday I will be away from my keyboard most days during working hours and then dinner time comes (and no, I really can't skip dinner due to health reasons).
no problem
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 05:32:58 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:18 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Sorry for getting back to you so quickly. :)
*snort* - i made up for it by completely failing to notice the admin messages...
ROFL
As you said, it's a cat and mouse game. But I created something anyway.
oooo i looove the 3D one! can you fit "Libre" above that for me? i *love* the font and the whole thing, it's awesome.
You're kidding?! No, you're not! Luke, that is AMD's Ryzen benchmark with their CPU featured in the picture!
aww shame
I changed the letters, added our logo, and removed their orange one! As for the font, I know I try hard to do my best work, each and every time, but it was HAND DRAWN WITHOUT PRACTICE (excluding the R from Ryzen :) ).
yowch, ok. hmmm, well, it still looks awesome. i wonder if something similar could be done...
Remember your 30 sec price estimation? This is my 3 hour blender cool thing creation! I haven't touched blender in years! Until now...
I aught to check the license... Ok, I can't find anything on AMD's website about the file at all. I've also tried searching in several places throughout the web without success. The file itself does not, but can, contain a license. I downloaded it directly from AMD so no chance of file alteration. http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend A big company not specifying a license??? This is unheard of!
What are you planning to use these things for?
slap them on the front page of the crowdsupply campaign.
I could create my own CPU without any chance of copyright problems, but the soonest I could have it done is Sunday.
hmmm now that you've done it i *may* be able to do something similar using pyopenscad.
I'll work on the rest of the lettering and send it later. Tell me what I should do about the license and blend...
sadly we need to respect copyright law. default copyright law is "permission must be sought and granted"
can you send me the svgs, i'm assuming inkscape can deal with resizing of the primitive shapes: gimp i'd need to obviously do pixel-level editing
<snip>
Ummm, I included the SVG in the last email, just delete the green circle and there you go! Maybe you did not get it? Attaching again.
not attached: i think i know why, i haven't added image/svg to the allowed content filters for this list.
l.
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 05:25:11 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 1:29 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 05:32:58 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
<snip>
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:18 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote: can you send me the svgs, i'm assuming inkscape can deal with resizing of the primitive shapes: gimp i'd need to obviously do pixel-level editing
<snip>
Ummm, I included the SVG in the last email, just delete the green circle and there you go! Maybe you did not get it? Attaching again.
not attached: i think i know why, i haven't added image/svg to the allowed content filters for this list.
Now it is attached as a gzip. Good night.
- David
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:46 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
not attached: i think i know why, i haven't added image/svg to the allowed content filters for this list.
Now it is attached as a gzip.
gzip's not included in the list :) i had added svg. email it to me directly.
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 07:02:04 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:46 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
not attached: i think i know why, i haven't added image/svg to the allowed content filters for this list.
Now it is attached as a gzip.
gzip's not included in the list :) i had added svg. email it to me directly.
I must have done something really bad in my former life...
You need to add everything but .EvilFile and .spam. :)
Sincerely, David
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 3:59 AM doark@mail.com wrote:
gzip's not included in the list :) i had added svg. email it to me directly.
I must have done something really bad in my former life...
poked fun at an 8086, probably...
You need to add everything but .EvilFile and .spam. :)
:)
Addendum: I wanted the picture of your face for the ironic reaction you'd get to seeing a proprietary CPU now relabeled as an ethereal on open hardware CPU!
- David
Op za 3 nov. 2018 00:19 schreef Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net:
ok so to start the new campaign, an image is needed. not a logo, an *image*. something that "represents" a chip and its potential uses and usefulness in a real and concrete way.
the problem is: this is a fabless semi-conductor design... there *is* no chip, there *is* nothing to put out there, and because it's just one component that goes *into* products, there *is* no frickin product either! a confusing jumbled utterly boring montage of hypothetical products would be needed.
even more of a conundrum: even putting up a picture of some BGA or QFP packaging isn't ok either, because depending on the final pincount, *AND* on large customer orders, the chip will be *custom packaged* and tailored to their needs (i.e. the same die will have far more interfaces added than there are actual pins, and the die re-packaged to suit the customer's needs, leaving many of the pads disconnected internally or connected internally to other dies).
How about a (rendered) picture of all/most package types. With libre-riscv + package types as print on each
With a (blurry) zoomed in schematic of a design with logic gates
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/XOR_from_NAND.svg
but then bigger?
ha! suddenly realised, i can do a 3D thingy in openscad.
font = "Liberation :style=Bold"; fh = -0.4; color("purple") translate(v=[-10.1,2.6,fh]) { text("Libre", 2.5, halign="center", font=font); } color("purple") translate(v=[-10.1,0.1,fh]) { text("RISC-V", 1.9, halign="center", font=font); } color("purple") translate(v=[9.7,2.8,fh]) { text("Kazan", 2.3, halign="center", font=font); } color("purple") translate(v=[9.7,0.1,fh]) { text("3D GPU", 1.9, halign="center", font=font); } translate(v=[-15.5,-0.5,-2.5]) { color("yellow") { cube([31,6.2,2]); } };
balls = 15; pitch = 6/balls-0.035; translate(v=[-0.3,2.5,-1.5]) { color("green") { cylinder($fn = 100, h = 2.1, r = 4.5000000000, center = true);
} } translate(v=[-0.3,-1.7,-0.5]) { rotate(a=[0,0,45]) { color("blue") { cube([6,6,0.5]); } color("grey") { for (i = [0 : balls]) { for (j = [0 : balls]) { translate(v=[0.25 + i*pitch, 0.25 + j*pitch,0.5]) { if (i < 3 || i > 12 || j < 3 || j > 12 || (4 < i && i < 11 && 4 < j && j < 11)) { sphere(r = 0.10, $fn = 30); } } } } } } };
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:38:50 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
ha! suddenly realised, i can do a 3D thingy in openscad.
I wasted my life again.... No worries, I'm glad you could make something so cool looking. :)
Sincerely, David
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:05 AM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:38:50 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
ha! suddenly realised, i can do a 3D thingy in openscad.
I wasted my life again....
not at all! it would never have occurred to me to do that if you hadn't shown me that other thing existed (ryzen one).
No worries, I'm glad you could make something so cool looking. :)
just have to pick some colours
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