(I sent this message before, but I suspect it didn't get delivered because I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list, so here I go again.)
Hello everyone,
I represent the hackers in charge of maintaining the parabola ARM port.
As you know, the 'libre tea' computer card will be shipped with parabola preinstalled, and we are currently working hard on getting our ARM port in shape. Unfortunately, at the moment we have two problems:
a) lack of compute resources - we need some actual ARM boards of the right architecture to build - and especially test - packages
b) lack of information - we don't know enough about the particularities of the EOMA68 cards to be able to tell how well our port works on them
Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?
We are very excited about this project (many of us have actually pre-ordered cards), and we want to be able to deliver the best possible version of our GNU/Linux distribution that we can produce.
Best, Andreas
Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his site. How many cards do you need?
On 11 May 2017 09:34:26 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
(I sent this message before, but I suspect it didn't get delivered because I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list, so here I go again.)
Hello everyone,
I represent the hackers in charge of maintaining the parabola ARM port.
As you know, the 'libre tea' computer card will be shipped with parabola preinstalled, and we are currently working hard on getting our ARM port in shape. Unfortunately, at the moment we have two problems:
a) lack of compute resources - we need some actual ARM boards of the right architecture to build - and especially test - packages
b) lack of information - we don't know enough about the particularities of the EOMA68 cards to be able to tell how well our port works on them
Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?
We are very excited about this project (many of us have actually pre-ordered cards), and we want to be able to deliver the best possible version of our GNU/Linux distribution that we can produce.
Best, Andreas
--
my GPG Public Key: https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:41:34AM +0300, Allan Mwenda wrote:
Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his site.
Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of the arm-netbook mailing list:
*Begin of shortened quote* "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to get 50 boards made up. i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and the OTG-Host cables, have to see.
any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of numbers http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
*End of shortened quote*
Some people including me signed up but when I last looked we are still far from 50 boards.
Pablo
On 11 May 2017 09:34:26 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
(I sent this message before, but I suspect it didn't get delivered because I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list, so here I go again.)
Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his site.
Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of the arm-netbook mailing list:
Thank you very much!
*Begin of shortened quote* "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to get 50 boards made up. i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and the OTG-Host cables, have to see.
any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of numbers http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more. Would asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
Is there an ETA?
Best, -Andreas
Put in as many people as would be useful to your project. No other distro has come here with interest like you guys so I'd take advantage of that before it changes. Didn't you have guys working on a handheld eoma console? Get them in on it as well.
On 11 May 2017 18:34:01 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his
site.
Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of the arm-netbook mailing list:
Thank you very much!
*Begin of shortened quote* "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to get 50 boards made up. i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and
the
OTG-Host cables, have to see.
any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of
numbers
This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more. Would asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
Is there an ETA?
Best, -Andreas
--
my GPG Public Key: https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of numbers http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
hi, sorry andreas, my mailer decided to move all arm-netbooks messages to a folder without my consent after i changed the name of the list a couple of days ago. bit of an "aiyaaa" moment, so thank you to everyone who's been carrying on the conversation!
This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
sure
Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
at some point i'll need an address and tel no and name for a courier, the name on the page is just to get an idea of numbers and also preferably put how you can be contacted (email address) if it's not obvious
We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more. Would asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
eek! that's quite a lot, but with something like... i forget exactly how many but i believe it's like... 200 or so parabola cards, it's probably a good idea.
Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
bear in mind that the prototypes are like of the order of $USD *200 to 250 each*, and also that courier costs as well as the prototype production costs eat into the budget which is already getting tight, the less amount of money that comes out of that budget the more is available to help the project succeed. so i leave it up to you to decide.
one thing: whatever happens, please do *not* just let the Cards sit on shelves once you are done with them. if you're not going to use them, *please find a home for them* and ask people to respect the same thing. the idea is that these Cards have an ongoing recycled lifespan until they literally fall apart, as they're part of an "Eco-Conscious" angle of Computing Appliance Reuse.
Is there an ETA?
couple weeks for the 2.7.4 revisions, that'll be QTY 10 which i'll test out. ETAs during pre-production testing phases... you just *cannot* give *any* guarantees whatsoever.
if this was the "production" phase then it would be a totally different matter: there would be a set schedule (because the factory has to slot everything in).
l.
Hi Luke,
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 05:30:47PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
at some point i'll need an address and tel no and name for a courier, the name on the page is just to get an idea of numbers and also preferably put how you can be contacted (email address) if it's not obvious
understood. I'll produce a list of hackers and contact info.
eek! that's quite a lot, but with something like... i forget exactly how many but i believe it's like... 200 or so parabola cards, it's probably a good idea.
also understood. I will make sure that we only request the cards we actually need. I will talk to the maintainers and make sure they are all in the loop. I am confident we can get this number down a bit.
bear in mind that the prototypes are like of the order of $USD *200 to 250 each*, and also that courier costs as well as the prototype production costs eat into the budget which is already getting tight, the less amount of money that comes out of that budget the more is available to help the project succeed. so i leave it up to you to decide.
also understood. I will try and source some budget so that parabole does not produce any unnecessary costs.
one thing: whatever happens, please do *not* just let the Cards sit on shelves once you are done with them. if you're not going to use them, *please find a home for them* and ask people to respect the same thing. the idea is that these Cards have an ongoing recycled lifespan until they literally fall apart, as they're part of an "Eco-Conscious" angle of Computing Appliance Reuse.
don't worry, I have literally dozens of projects in mind with those cards ;)
couple weeks for the 2.7.4 revisions, that'll be QTY 10 which i'll test out. ETAs during pre-production testing phases... you just *cannot* give *any* guarantees whatsoever.
allright, thanks for the info Luke, I will talk to our arm team again, make sure that everyone understands the things you told me, and then get back to you with a number, and then we will wait patiently for the cards to hit :)
thank you all for the awesome work you are doing!
Best, -Andreas
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
don't worry, I have literally dozens of projects in mind with those cards ;)
awesome, look forward to hearing about it l.
andreas it would be really handy to have openrc, eudev and nosystemd-compat added to parabola armv7h. https://sourceforge.net/projects/mefiles/files/Manjaro/openrc-eudev/armv7h/ http://systemd-free.org/
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 05:15:19AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
andreas it would be really handy to have openrc, eudev and nosystemd-compat added to parabola armv7h.
Just curious. What is nosystemd-compat? Is is something like the libsystemd0 in Devuan that provides a dummy systemd interfae to some programs that appear to depend on systemd to run without it?
-- hendrik
hiya folks,
whilst preparing an early 2.7.4 sample i tried the parabola image that i have here, which worked well back in june-august 2016 and i have not updated since. alongside XFCE4 i deployed eudev and openrc and it works extremely effectively (and provides a faster boot time).
when endeavouring to do an update there were two key conflicts, related to udev, systemd and mesa-gl attempting to be upgraded. the upgrade could therefore not proceed.
now, i *might* have a micro-sd card which has the full XFCE4 pre-tested image on it: around that time i remember losing a couple of pre-prepared images due to sdcard corruption thanks to NAND IC interference. if i can find it that is what will have to go out... but it will *not be upgradeable*.
could someone (on parabola) please check this out and see what's going on? http://systemd-free.org/install.php
many many thanks,
l.
Hi Luke,
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:20:25AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
when endeavouring to do an update there were two key conflicts, related to udev, systemd and mesa-gl attempting to be upgraded. the upgrade could therefore not proceed.
could you give us access to the image you used? that would make it easier to find the issues.
However, due to some changes in arch, there is currently no clean upgrade path from 2016 images that does not require manual intervention. See here: https://www.archlinux.org/news/ca-certificates-utils-20170307-1-upgrade-requ...
there might be some more of these that I forgot.
Best, -Andreas
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Andreas Grapentin andreas@grapentin.org wrote:
Hi Luke,
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:20:25AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
when endeavouring to do an update there were two key conflicts, related to udev, systemd and mesa-gl attempting to be upgraded. the upgrade could therefore not proceed.
could you give us access to the image you used? that would make it easier to find the issues.
can do. one ironic thing: i cannot remember how i got eudev installed! i.e. from which repo.
1.7gb upload... *shudder*. ok. i have space. it's going to take... 10 hours @ 40k/sec. will get back to you in a a few days as i do not expect it to complete first time (rsync is my best friend here).
However, due to some changes in arch, there is currently no clean upgrade path from 2016 images that does not require manual intervention. See here: https://www.archlinux.org/news/ca-certificates-utils-20170307-1-upgrade-requ...
yuck.
ok.
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