Dear luke,
Such a project might not be ligament (I'm not a physicist), but people seem to be taking it seriously. As of this writing 2 of the files are still missing "PRIMARY LOOP" and "STEAM TURBINE".
David
LOL. That's not going to last a hot minute. Any country worth its salt has very strong laws on the books prohibiting this sort of thing, because of what can happen very easily if you don't get it exactly right. Even universities and research labs and the like, even if they're *part* of the government, have to get special permission to touch that stuff... nuclear anything is not something to be taken lightly, and enough important people know that so that it's regulated *incredibly* tightly. I'm told that if you have nuke clearance with the US gov't, for example, the US Military has to know *exactly* where you are at all times, as in, if you need to use a portapotty they just about want the serial # off the side of the box, and what second of what minute you went in and came back out. Yikes.
There was a kid a few decades ago who tried to do up a civvie reactor on his own, some years ago, here in the US. I'm not sure what state... he got a lot of press at the time, and a book later on, but the press has newer, bigger things to deal with right now and I never bought the book and it was quite some time ago anyways. That said... apparently he got ahold of a truly insane number of smoke detectors without his parents noticing, and got enough Americium-241 together as a result (juuuuust barely) to get a reaction going. Put the whole thing together in a backyard shed, literally. He got found out pretty quickly, though, because he either hadn't studied enough or was too inept otherwise, to realize that he had to freaking *cool* this monstrosity... it was apparently something of an IR beacon, on the intensity level of gazing point-blank into a carbon-arc searchlamp... ooooops! I'm not sure what wound up happening to him, but I can't imagine it was as simple as "okay we're taking this away and don't do it again" ;) Cops generally aren't that nice... especially with things that are issues both of public safety and national security at the same time, like he had conjured up...
But yeah that's how *that* went.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Dear luke,
Such a project might not be ligament (I'm not a physicist), but people seem to be taking it seriously. As of this writing 2 of the files are still missing "PRIMARY LOOP" and "STEAM TURBINE".
David
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Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com writes: ...
There was a kid a few decades ago who tried to do up a civvie reactor on his own, some years ago, here in the US. I'm not sure what state...
Here you go:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eagle-scout-nuclear-reactor/
Cheers, Phil.
On Monday, March 9, 2020, David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Dear luke,
Such a project might not be ligament (I'm not a physicist), but people seem to be taking it seriously. As of this writing 2 of the files are still missing "PRIMARY LOOP" and "STEAM TURBINE".
100 megawatt. err.. where do you source the uranium or plutonium?
err.....
On 03/09/2020 08:07 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020, David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Dear luke,
Such a project might not be ligament (I'm not a physicist), but people seem to be taking it seriously. As of this writing 2 of the files are still missing "PRIMARY LOOP" and "STEAM TURBINE".
100 megawatt. err.. where do you source the uranium or plutonium?
err.....
I assume you are joking... I mean it is against the law in many countries to even have uranium if your not the government, etc...
some things are made of uranium that cause a lot of damage and trust me it wouldn't be a blast at all!
pun intended...
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:07:44 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020, David Niklas doark@mail.com wrote:
Dear luke,
Such a project might not be ligament (I'm not a physicist), but people seem to be taking it seriously. As of this writing 2 of the files are still missing "PRIMARY LOOP" and "STEAM TURBINE".
100 megawatt. err.. where do you source the uranium or plutonium?
err.....
AFAIK, you buy it from the US gov. in the USA. For other countries you may have to trade to obtain some as not every country produces their own.
David
On Monday 9. March 2020 23.02.30 David Niklas wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:07:44 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
100 megawatt. err.. where do you source the uranium or plutonium?
err.....
AFAIK, you buy it from the US gov. in the USA. For other countries you may have to trade to obtain some as not every country produces their own.
In other words, you either have to be on a list or get yourself onto a list. One of those kinds of list isn't the kind you want to be on. And the uranium and plutonium is on a different kind of list altogether, but that's the reason for those other lists. :-)
Meanwhile, some related reading just came up:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200309-are-small-nuclear-power-plants-s...
I guess we're all on someone's recommended reading list.
Paul
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:02:56 +0100 Paul Boddie paul@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On Monday 9. March 2020 23.02.30 David Niklas wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:07:44 +0000 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
100 megawatt. err.. where do you source the uranium or plutonium?
err.....
AFAIK, you buy it from the US gov. in the USA. For other countries you may have to trade to obtain some as not every country produces their own.
In other words, you either have to be on a list or get yourself onto a list. One of those kinds of list isn't the kind you want to be on. And the uranium and plutonium is on a different kind of list altogether, but that's the reason for those other lists. :-)
Meanwhile, some related reading just came up:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200309-are-small-nuclear-power-plants-s...
I guess we're all on someone's recommended reading list.
Paul
I had to respond to this: "Some are arguing that nuclear power just can’t compete as renewable prices plummet."
That's such wrong headed thinking! The competition of "green solutions" is not about pricing, it's about getting more energy and less pollution out of a device then you have to put into manufacture, fuel, and recycle it.
For wind: "In January of 2015, wind speeds remained 20 to 45 percent below normal on areas of the west coast..." https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/09/03/205217/slowing-wind-energy-prod... Now they're cheering that wind speeds are almost back to normal, having gone up 37%: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50464551 And the more resistance to wind you have (like turbines), the less wind that there is.
As these things age they produce less power due to lack of maintenance and then they need decommissioning: https://www.energycentral.com/news/retiring-worn-out-wind-turbines-could-cos...
In general: We seem to be short on resources for producing the favorite renewable solutions: https://www.metabolic.nl/publication/metal-demand-for-renewable-electricity-...
For solar: Panels require recycling and currently, they're just polluting the landscapes for the most part: https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/25/18018820/solar-panel-waste-chemicals-ene... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/11/141111-solar-panel-ma... I also remember solar panels requiring more power to manufacture plus recycle then they produce in their lifetime, but I can't find the article.
A cleaner solution: With nuclear being a much less toxic problem comparatively: http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/6/21/are-we-headed-for-a-sola...
If it boils down to pricing, then we're doomed from an environmental perspective.
David
On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, Paul Boddie paul@boddie.org.uk wrote:
Meanwhile, some related reading just came up:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200309-are-small- nuclear-power-plants-safe-and-efficient
Many of the SMR designs in development simply shrink the systems of large-scale nuclear plants, using less fuel. Nuscale’s reactor will be just 76 feet (23 metres) high.
um... i fail to see how that is considered "portable"
:)
I guess we're all on someone's recommended reading list.
wave hello to them over the fence and smile enthusiastically. :)
l.
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