Hey Luke,
Your latest crowd supply update mentions wanting people to buy the pre-production prototypes and ideally help contribute to the software.
How much are you planning to sell them for? I'd be interested in one, and I'd love to help contribute to the software side of this project as it's much more within my skill set than high frequency HDMI routing.
Cheers, -Adam
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Adam Van Ymeren adam@vany.ca wrote:
Hey Luke,
Your latest crowd supply update mentions wanting people to buy the pre-production prototypes and ideally help contribute to the software.
yehyeh that would be awesome. and a huge help to everyone.
How much are you planning to sell them for?
well they cost around $USD 200 each (possibly more) to make - 10 of them were made @ around $USD 2,000. however i have a very simple rule: i can only accept what people are *grateful* and willing to pay. so, basically: offers accepted immediately without hesitation, and with gratitude. i have... five left i think. also you'll likely need a micro-desktop (i have some 1.6 boards available) they were something like...$50 to put together.
also please bear in mind, i'm in taiwan, i can't read the street signs: i travel by recognition of bus stop numbers and landmarks. i mention this because it would be really *really* helpful if you could arrange collection (DHL is ok, Fedex is better as they deliver first and invoice for customs duty afterwards: DHL will *hold* packages until you've paid).
the alternative is Track-and-Trace EMS Post, which i've done to NZ and that was absolutely fine. it's also cheaper, but bear in mind it ends up in your country's *local* (registered / signed-for) postal service. if you're happy with that then i know exactly where the post office is, done 2 packages already (one to HK as well), arrived absolutely fine. just bear in mind it'll be a leeetle bit slower.
btw likewise this goes for the various other people who've asked for a dev-board, i know there's 2 people in Austria / Germany... no wait three: phil as well, you're based in germany now.
I'd be interested in one, and I'd love to help contribute to the software side of this project
_great_.
as it's much more within my skill set than high frequency HDMI routing.
ha, funny :) man that's a long ride...
l.
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I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. That said, I don't have sofware dev skills, so except perhaps for a micro-desktop board (depends on final design of the micro-desktop), there's not much advantage to the project in my having one. Therefore, since it's more a toy and chance to (hopefully, if the project succeeds) hold an interesting piece of computer history, if there are people with the dev skills, I'll willingly cede any position I have.
Tor
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur Marqueteur@fineartmarquetry.com wrote:
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I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. That said, I don't have sofware dev skills, so except perhaps for a micro-desktop board (depends on final design of the micro-desktop), there's not much advantage to the project in my having one. Therefore, since it's more a toy and chance to (hopefully, if the project succeeds) hold an interesting piece of computer history, if there are people with the dev skills, I'll willingly cede any position I have.
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the wooden corners.
l.
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On 10/10/2017 10:07 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur Marqueteur@fineartmarquetry.com wrote:
I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. ...
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the wooden corners.
Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the work to get the card itself working.
l.
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Tor, the Marqueteur Marqueteur@fineartmarquetry.com wrote:
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the wooden corners.
Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the work to get the card itself working.
well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's been ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on its own (no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing USB-UART wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_ it...
l.
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On 10/11/2017 12:24 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Tor, the Marqueteur Marqueteur@fineartmarquetry.com wrote:
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the wooden corners.
Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the work to get the card itself working.
well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's been ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on its own (no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing USB-UART wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_ it...
True enough. I'll send you my address. On my end postal is reliable, so there's no reason not to use the cheap option there.
Tor
l.
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur Marqueteur@fineartmarquetry.com wrote:
well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's been ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on its own (no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing USB-UART wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_ it...
True enough. I'll send you my address. On my end postal is reliable, so there's no reason not to use the cheap option there.
great. need tel no as well (goes on the form...)
I'm interested as well, though I likewise don't have the low-level software experience that would likely be required. I'm a Linux sysadmin, so Linux I can do, but ARM kernel/boot stuff is a bit out of my depth thus far. That said, I do have access to a laser cutter and a (small) 3D printer, so I can play around with case designs for the micro-desktop.
Is it simple enough to put them in PCMCIA cases so I could use it day-to-day assuming it works well? (Or do they already have PCMCIA cases from the factory at this point?) If so, I'm definitely in, unless someone with more dev skills wants one.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Frederickson silverskullpsu@gmail.com wrote:
I'm interested as well, though I likewise don't have the low-level software experience that would likely be required.
if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel / u-boot (etc.) experience
I'm a Linux sysadmin, so Linux I can do, but ARM kernel/boot stuff is a bit out of my depth thus far.
well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when verbally prompted as to what to do.
That said, I do have access to a laser cutter and a (small) 3D printer, so I can play around with case designs for the micro-desktop.
great! that would definitely be worthwhile getting you one of these prototypes.
Is it simple enough to put them in PCMCIA cases so I could use it day-to-day assuming it works well? (Or do they already have PCMCIA cases from the factory at this point?) If so, I'm definitely in, unless someone with more dev skills wants one.
they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to make absolutely sure when putting them on is: (a) get the plastic part on the right way up (as it tells the PCMCIA socket which pin is which) and (b) make absolutely sure that there's yellow insulating stickers on the inside, and that they're not damaged in any way. also bear in mind they're hell to take off again...but that you really shouldn't need to.
l.
if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel / u-boot (etc.) experience
Understandable, that seems to be what you need the most at this point.
well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when verbally prompted as to what to do.
Previous to my current position I worked in Linux customer support, so... I'm unfortunately quite familiar with that behavior. :) Sometimes it's a result of making hidden assumptions in the instructions though, when you have enough experience with something you'll make mental leaps that someone without exposure to the material might not.
they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to make absolutely sure when putting them on is: (a) get the plastic part on the right way up (as it tells the PCMCIA socket which pin is which) and (b) make absolutely sure that there's yellow insulating stickers on the inside, and that they're not damaged in any way. also bear in mind they're hell to take off again...but that you really shouldn't need to.
Sounds good to me - if you can find more people with kernel/u-boot experience they can jump ahead of me, but let me know if the prototypes aren't all accounted for and I'm in for one.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:10 AM, Jonathan Frederickson silverskullpsu@gmail.com wrote:
if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel / u-boot (etc.) experience
Understandable, that seems to be what you need the most at this point.
that and some extra cash. i'm currently doing contract work which helps. could do with more of that, too.
well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when verbally prompted as to what to do.
Previous to my current position I worked in Linux customer support, so... I'm unfortunately quite familiar with that behavior. :)
:)
Sometimes it's a result of making hidden assumptions in the instructions though, when you have enough experience with something you'll make mental leaps that someone without exposure to the material might not.
yehyeh.
they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to
Sounds good to me - if you can find more people with kernel/u-boot experience they can jump ahead of me, but let me know if the prototypes aren't all accounted for and I'm in for one.
*thumbs-up*
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