On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 06:48:08AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:48 AM, James L james6.28318530@gmail.com wrote:
if they were true to their mission statement they would add the option to include it.
Unfortunately, I have to agree
i spoke to one of the people in devuan, who turned out to be an amazingly wise person, and i was able to point out this discrepancy to them without over-reaction. i suggested to them that it might be a good idea to properly honour the mission statement by including systemd in devuan.
their response was that in their opinion it simply would never happen, ever. devuan was *geniunely* born out of a back-lash reaction *against* systemd.. *not* out of a desire to genuinely honour their mission statement.
The mission statement came later. But they do mean it's about choice. That said, they do have practial limitations as to what alternatives they can offer themselves, and they have focussed on important alternatives that are not provided by Debian. This is how they provide choice. I don't see how this si oncompatible with their mission statement, though I can see how it may appear so.
They also care that system owners be in control of their own systems. Choice is a means to this end. But some subsystems make this kind of control difficult, and it's reasonable not to spend effort in this direction. Especially when there's a well-known and reasonably compatible distro that already does that.
-- hendrik
Here is a question: Is a false (in any way) mission statement enough to totally dismiss something? Even if their actions (providing a reasonable alternative) are seemingly good?
*sigh* i love what they've done, but the best way to illustrate it is with a story from mother theresa. she was invited to an anti-war rally, once. she declined... and told them that if they ever wanted to hold a *peace* rally, she would be delighted to attend.
that really says it all, i think.
From what I have observed, you seem to have two "codes" that you live by, your ethics and your intuition.
ha. to clarify: i use my intuition to identify those things which are ethical [and then follow up with as much rational / logical reasoning as i can stand]. where i really didn't even have a definition of what is actually ethical until i encountered bob podolski, only last year. ironic or what... :)
Your ethics seems to mostly involve your influence over others, so what does your intuition say about Devuan?
jury's still out. i'm hopeful that one day they'll be able to resolve the conflict and truly honour their mission statement. for myself i... i simply cannot bring myself to endorse or support things where there exists a huge cognitive dissonance. call it an ISO9001 "fail" if you will.
l.
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