Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> writes:
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 07:43:08 freebirds <at> fastmail.fm wrote:
the others." I appreciate Aaron Seigo making recommendations including starting IRC meetings. Meetings are democratic. If Aaron Seigo intended to dictate, he wouldn't ask for feedback to hold the first meeting in January.
Precisely. The only reason I’d like to see coordination and communication is so that I can participate in meaningful ways with everyone else. I would have been far happier with someone else stepping up and suggesting this as it
means
I wouldn’t have to spend time on it :)
In addition to that (and the discussion on #linux-sunxi) it should be said, that linux-sunxi is doing pretty 'ok'. While some may disagree with how it formed (and who was and was not invited, really? everybody is invited.). Sure we'd love to have more people write code or write documentation, but only so many man-hours available by volunteers.
Now we should also make it clear, there's clearly two 'camps' here. And while there should be, they are disjunctive right now, let me explain.
We have 2 projects here that should be collaborating. Rhombus-tech which does great work on the hardware side of things and Linux-sunxi which worries about the software side (of only Allwinner SoC's). Nice and clear separated and makes sense. If the next EOMA86 will be using AMLogic, then no problem, the community won't 'shift' but the EOMA community will also start talking to the AMLogic community. Anyway, I'm sure this doesn't need more explaining as it's quite obvious.
What is going on right now however, is that rhombus-tech appears to also take on the 'software-side' of things, rhombus git, no to little collaboration etc. But why you may ask? Because while G-mail is 'ok' to use but dev@linux-sunxi.org is 'verboten' to CC on patches/discussions? Because reading mails from linux-sunxi@google-groups.com is 'verboten'? A little far fetched and hypocritical if you ask me, but don't worry, we are in the slow transition of migrating away from google-groups, but as moving away from gmail takes time, at least give linux-sunxi the benefit of the doubt that also they are working on moving away from google-groups.
As for not using github because the webfrontend is closed (git clone git://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi.git talks to the git server which probably is vanilla isn't it? So cloning, puhsing, syncing can all be done without touching proprietary code but don't worry, there is now also gitorious.org/linux-sunxi which IS open source. But even here, we hopefully have git.linux-sunxi.org setup soon too. This whole manhours and what to spend them on, actually writing code, or take time to setup things up.
Regarding "literally appearing from no where" we need to
Given how opaque this community is, it should be of no surprise that there
are
probably many people that others can not see. If the EOMA68 / sunxi / arm- netbook communities were better organized, you all would’ve noticed me a lot sooner.
Here also, without repeating myself too much, the sunxi community is doing pretty well, albeit short on man-power.
So there you have it. And again, nobody is excluded, nobody was deliberately not invited. Evolution at work if anything. And everybody is welcome, always.
Oliver