On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 10:09:45AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir@cohens.org.il wrote:
In another thread someone mentioned trusting people. I trust the maintainer of angband.pl generally more than maintainers of Devuan, from observed behavior.
*sigh* i love what the devuan team have done: they've achieved a hell of a lot. the only thing is: their stated mission statement is "to give people free choice over their init service". and... err... the lack of support for systemd makes that mission statement a false statement.
devuan is therefore a backlash *against* systemd. if they were true to their mission statement they would add the option to include it.
The official line is that, if you want Devuan with systemd you should simply install Debian, which *is* Devuan with systemd. Thus you have choice, which you wouldn't have with Debian alone.
It doesn't enable you to simply boot with systemd on even-numbered days and without it on odd-numbered days, but it is a reasonable compromise, given their lack of resources.
-- hendrik
P.S. Technically, Debian itself does make it possible to have a system without systemd, but you have to install with systemd and then replace it. And there are a lot of packages that depend on systemd, but don't in Devuan, so the option isn't as viable as it is presented.
what would be really *really* handy is if someone modified angband.pl's packaging so that it compiled *both* systemd *and* systemd-less packages, making the systemd-less variants e.g. of udev as "udev-nosystemd" and using "Provides: udev" (or whatever appropriate debian control magic is necessary).
the reason for that would be that the angband.pl variants could then actually be proposed for inclusion in debian.
It would have been good of Debian to have adopted a policy like that. Instead they didn't even make systemd a choice at installation time.
-- hendrik