On 02/11/2017 02:53 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
if you misunderstood and believed that you were buying a product, that you were placing an order, as opposed to helping reach the goal of bringing ethically-developed eco-conscious computing devices to mass-volume
Every time someone mentions customers, it seems you bring up this exact same line. I don't care if *I* am a customer or not; you *are* going to have customers, are you not? Or is this just always going to be an endless exchange of "gifts" for you, where you get X orders for this product, abandon it, and move on to the next one?
Unless that's your plan, you're going to need to address people's concerns and complaints at some point; you can't just keep handwaving them away forever. So you're better off addressing them *now*, when the people making the complaints are doing so because they *care*.
100% integrity is *that* important to me, it takes *absolute* precedence.
Also, please, get off your high horse:
1. You're using proprietary CAD software. 2. You use YouTube. 3. You have not released all the PCB CAD files. 4. You have admitted to signing NDAs.
Et cetera.
You are not perfect, you cannot be perfect, and no one expects you to be perfect. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
i haven't the *time* or energy to be zealous.
You're being zealous right now when you say things like this:
i'm deeply disturbed by the way in which systemd has been developed and deployed: it's unethical in ways that go beyond acceptable boundaries which the actual *software license* simply doesn't cover.
And you're so convinced that systemd is the worst thing in the world, for reasons you cannot explain, That you would rather ship a testing snapshot of Debian from years ago than just ship a stable version of stock Debian.
This goes beyond "not having time" to "deal with" systemd. You are *actively* making decisions to "protect" people from what they *specifically* asked for, which you also *specifically* offered.
If you want to talk about ethics, what about the ethics of promising one thing, but delivering another? OK, you're technically delivering Debian, but no one is going to see delivery of a years-old Testing snapshot as delivering on your promise. You'll be seen as a guy who is trying to force anti-systemd hysteria down their throats.
i haven't the time or energy to spend on it
Then why did you offer Debian and Fedora as options? By offering them as options, you implicitly volunteered to *at least* install stock Debian and stock Fedora. You could just as easily have only offered Devuan.
if people - even on this list - did not go into full-on "attack" mode, getting extremely defensive and upset when i try to point something out, instead took the time to ask questions, it would be a lot easier.
It's you who is being defensive, Luke. No one is in "attack mode". You have this bad habit where you treat your critics like they are adversaries. We are not your adversaries. The only reason I am so critical of your decisions is because I want EOMA68 to succeed.