arm-netbook May 2014

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micro desktop
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/micro_desktop/news/ as promised the micro desktop is being developed, news and features on the page. l.

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EOMA - Open Specification?
by Jonathan Frederickson 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

Hey all. I've been following the progress here for a while, though I wasn't subscribed at the time. Something Luke said a while back concerned me, however: "so i am very sorry to have to spell it out, but you will *never* be a customer of *any* EOMA or QiMod products, *ever*, and you will *never* be granted a license to make EOMA-compatible products. and that's not my decision, but we both have to live with that." I can understand being blacklisted as a customer, and removing all mention of EOMA, as it is (maybe?) a QiMod trademark. However, the bit about being granted a license to make EOMA-compatible products is troubling. It seems counter to the statement on the FAQ: "The EOMA-68 initiative is an "Open Specification". That means that anyone can create either CPU cards or motherboards that conform to it. Thus, it is possible for anyone to create an "Open Hardware" compliant CPU card or motherboard." (http://rhombus-tech.net/faq/#index12h2) ...which seems to imply that one wouldn't *need* a license to create compatible products. So my question is this: how open is the EOMA specification, really? Regards, Jon F.

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Improv And Operation:Marketing for EMOA-*
by Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If there was late help from extra individuals marketing and promoting eoma-* standard devices like Improv and there were magically the number of pre-orders needed would it be possible to resume makeplaylive being a client? I expect they are stuffed when they can't even mention eoma-68! It's just, I've been trying to work on my Operation: Marketing (Op:Mark) but with this sad news I've not sure which direction to go. I had been plaining to write marketing material for a device. I have a huge amount to evolve and currently Op:Mark is my mess also my progress is dreadfully slow. I wanted to make more progress on it before I mentioned it to you but arr heck here it goes: http://rhombus-tech.net/op:marketing -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTeiXhAAoJEOk7fWIzE1KNoE0H/1HajC3ssYa/m6f8Wd+aCawl G9xD7OYrwc3/7IwU7WojZ4ohRJsaoZgbAZBWmH5MrO7+M/ZvrLfRdcW6bTm16HBy iY/X04TgBwhKkvwYN1k98Qz4ckyRchttIBylRH3NLDUQ0uRXJX0SQMXIA3xVQuWj LvJJFYOgTZ4DPuzzAOE3MD7ZVedf7MK6A4EhEpQ6ImoJU86Cn5Q971Teb0anv2q0 1jmzRqmRS0UDg8iNjBiP4PTU+u5gDkVltjoVJG/SZ4Slrrrs4uMKVRIlQ1F04UUY 9Wnn4yaK/uLSGSfHoVcnEq/VD1JkgDQK4Tl5wnTiBuRuzNP+Aq9OOcv5pJiwMsw= =jbyQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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EOMA68-A20 interface redesign
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

https://www.skhynix.com/products/computing/view.jsp?info.ramKind=19&info.se… ok i've done the interface redesign which i will document properly later: SATA is gone, 2nd USB is in, i added one EINT and the 4th pin is a VREF output for GPIO and UART voltage levels. i also noticed that hynix do a 4gbit x8 RAM chip which is pin-compatible with the H5TQ2G83BFR, so i *think* we can go to 2gbyte of RAM. thoughts? l.

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JZ4775
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 31 May '14

31 May '14

http://www.ingenic.cn/en/en/android.php?pid=96&fid=799 oo! oo! ingenic have a 1ghz dual-core MIPS that has X-Burst at 1ghz, which could be FSF-Endorseable! they left out all the proprietary Vivante USA-based 3D hard macros (at last). it has GbE, USB-OTG, USB1.1 Host and is basically minimalistically-compliant with EOMA68 without needing extra components. i like it.

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Gigabit NIC Speeds
by Michael Howard 29 May '14

29 May '14

Hi All, Not specifically Netbook, just a general question for opinions; What is the bottleneck on arm devices when it comes to network speed? I have a number of devices and they are all woefully slow. In order of poorness :) a few Dreamplugs (1/10th the speed of desktop) , a Cubietruck (1/5th the speed of desktop), a mirabox (haven't actuially timed it) et al. Obviously there are many factors that can afect timings (depending on the test) but even using 3rd party Gigabit USB Nics the results do not improve. I've used netcat and scp (ouch) to name two methods, what would be a good leveller to eliminate outside factors? Cheers, --

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EOMA Compliancy
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 28 May '14

28 May '14

L.S. Recent events may have forced the need for more clarity. Perhaps sooner that really needed. So far we've mostly don the technical issues. I'm going to tap into the collective brain here. In order to protect the EOMA standard. To what terms should a manufacturer/vendor comply to become EOMA compliant? Things like: - Technical: Adhere tot the physical dimensions, tolerance, heat. - Safety - What would be a reasonable price/pricing structure - Environmental footprint - etc. And how to deal with leeches and blacklists etc. I know the technical side is already coming along but anything you like to to mentioned write it down. Luke join if you like, but we know you are busy, collecting funds to pay the bill etc. And the technical side of things still need some tinkering, USB3, etc. Kr, Mike

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Fwd: Indie Tech Summit — First Speakers Announced
by Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross 26 May '14

26 May '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 a very good opportunity for eoma-* - -------- Original Message -------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:52:21 +0000 Subject: Indie Tech Summit — First Speakers Announced Hey folks, We’ve just announced the initial round of speakers for the inaugural Indie Tech Summit http://newsletter.indiephone.eu/l/DknOa1KoVktjCXITaq9yuQ/uFYj892i6XB92HyQwv…, to take place in Brighton, UK, on the 4th and 5th of July, 2014. For the full list of speakers, visit the Indie Tech Summit web site http://newsletter.indiephone.eu/l/DknOa1KoVktjCXITaq9yuQ/uFYj892i6XB92HyQwv…, where you can also find details of how to register to attend. Further details, including additional speakers, will be announced in the coming days. We hope that you're as excited as we are for the opportunity to meet, learn and collaborate with a diverse group of like-minded people. Join us at the birth of a new community tasked with building beautiful products for everyday people to empower them to protect their privacy, civil liberties, and human rights. Here's to seeing you there, Jo Porter Director of Operations, Indie Phone. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTg17cAAoJEOk7fWIzE1KNQIEH/As/u6qbrNZmPu1rYJFedyR4 +srzEzvsi9hshSwLVO9i4eQQDIb8y723BR+bhnVpGYz87qb97hvacHLfAAhugLUC buL1VvhCnsdRvFUCW2EEQiwLGkuoK9mRVX+q7eSfK3bIAVwrfWVxMiJrytjikha3 vI1xK9NtuBLod8p2PIvuXlauemffAcAUrVn7PHb29fV9GYxWOA9ZuE7L2Hjb03uo sp1IGeP+9n0dqPblksn38vhm+sekYu6dNqbX4scx6LIL5z3HOJp8bbBSTc1dQNHz ohLijdwE87Fhbdj7+Mx1aEMDe6rQv6fyTR2BIEstMg8+tSfHlW8kprIpHqpfqKo= =eEMm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA, Improv etc
by Paul NeoStormer 26 May '14

26 May '14

I absolutely agree with this, I have been following this product for years and I believe a crowdsourcing campaign is vital to getting this product off the ground. I would imagine pushing just the EOMA-68 card and include HDMI and powered USB-OTG cables; to start with. The have stretch goals that add a bare minimum MEB and slowly add ports to the MEB with each tier. I would recommend leaving a tablet for a separate product because then it could be marketed as working with the EOMA-68 cards that are available. Hope I'm not out of line, just a suggestion. Nico Rikken <nico(a)nicorikken.eu> wrote: >Hi, > >This ongoing discussion, despite the wealth of personal arguments, has >clarified a lot of details for me as an enthusiast and potential >customer. > >Ever since I heard about the Spark tablet I truly believed this would >dramatically change the playing field of FOSS and FOS-hardware. Hearing >about the underlying EOMA-board adheres to this vision, where this would >be the new standard in FOS-land and the overall maker-community. > >As far as I understand it, over time some other SoC's have already been >re-engineered. In addition the recent RaspberryPi-board and the >crowd-sourced Novena board have closed in on the proposition of the >EOMA-board. However the EOMA-board still seems to hold a place of its >own for compactness and power. > >In my job I've got to get a glimpse of the embedded-hardware development >business and knowing now about development costs involved, it is truly >heartbreaking to see this project in this state. I believe the potential >is still there, the hard work has been done, it just takes a great >launch to bootstrap production, community adoption and even further >development. > >As for the launch Improv didn't cut it for me as a potential customer. >The lack of detailed communication and the strong focus on the >make-play-live proposition (which to me seems limited and seems to go >against the hacker market). And above all, I just wanted to have a >FOS-tablet to play with, not an offering similar to my RaspberryPi >(which I even hardly use). > >Say the EOMA-board would run a crowdfunding effort to start commercial >development, what would be a good proposition? To me it seems to be a >tablet combination, to also aid in the FOSS development (like >make-play-live). > >Personally I could see the board earn a place on it's own, by being a >great replacement for the RaspberryPi, specically for other >RaspberryPi-projects for which the RaspberryPi is just a way of >achieving a service, like: Generic fileserver (NAS), Owncloud-instance, >ArkOS install (multiple local services), XBMC-player or Android-player >(say for games, probably requiring Replicant Android). >Others might even be: 3D-printer-driver, VJ-visual generator (like the >M-Labs m1), Freedombox (although currently in development and requiring >an additional network interface), home-automation or parallel processing >using multiple boards. >One of the main benefits of the EOMA-board is the fact that it can >easily be handled by regular users, without fearing ESD-problems. The >Improv-board, despite offering decent breakouts, doesn't adhere to this >user-level, still requiring an additional case. > >Considering that like me others saw a place for this development but >didn't fully support for various reasons, it might be worth another try >to find the required support for this to take off. Say by preparing and >starting a crowdfunding campaign offering the EOMA-boards, various >breakouts (Improv-type breakout with option of a plastic case, >NAS-enclosure with HDD-space, tablet (with room for batteries)) linked >to various donation levels, paid pre-installation as a way of turning >time into money and finally products like mugs and t-shirts. > >Even though I'm not fully emerged into the FOSS-community, I believe the >Novena project has set an example by creating social presence even >before launching the crowdfunding campaing by initially demonstrating >skill (overall blog and SD-card analysis) and next showing off the >product (e.g. Chaos Communication Congress). This makes me believe that >with proper marketing and having a great offer, the community will at >least consider supporting this 'project' and better yet fully fund the >project. >Seeing the EOMA-board as the underlying basis for further efforts, I >believe Luke should be (involved in) initiating such an effort, despite >all politics involved in the recent debates. > >(hope I didn't fuel a rant with this e-mail). > >Kind regards, >Nico Rikken, NL > > >_______________________________________________ >arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA, Improv etc
by Nico Rikken 25 May '14

25 May '14

Hi, This ongoing discussion, despite the wealth of personal arguments, has clarified a lot of details for me as an enthusiast and potential customer. Ever since I heard about the Spark tablet I truly believed this would dramatically change the playing field of FOSS and FOS-hardware. Hearing about the underlying EOMA-board adheres to this vision, where this would be the new standard in FOS-land and the overall maker-community. As far as I understand it, over time some other SoC's have already been re-engineered. In addition the recent RaspberryPi-board and the crowd-sourced Novena board have closed in on the proposition of the EOMA-board. However the EOMA-board still seems to hold a place of its own for compactness and power. In my job I've got to get a glimpse of the embedded-hardware development business and knowing now about development costs involved, it is truly heartbreaking to see this project in this state. I believe the potential is still there, the hard work has been done, it just takes a great launch to bootstrap production, community adoption and even further development. As for the launch Improv didn't cut it for me as a potential customer. The lack of detailed communication and the strong focus on the make-play-live proposition (which to me seems limited and seems to go against the hacker market). And above all, I just wanted to have a FOS-tablet to play with, not an offering similar to my RaspberryPi (which I even hardly use). Say the EOMA-board would run a crowdfunding effort to start commercial development, what would be a good proposition? To me it seems to be a tablet combination, to also aid in the FOSS development (like make-play-live). Personally I could see the board earn a place on it's own, by being a great replacement for the RaspberryPi, specically for other RaspberryPi-projects for which the RaspberryPi is just a way of achieving a service, like: Generic fileserver (NAS), Owncloud-instance, ArkOS install (multiple local services), XBMC-player or Android-player (say for games, probably requiring Replicant Android). Others might even be: 3D-printer-driver, VJ-visual generator (like the M-Labs m1), Freedombox (although currently in development and requiring an additional network interface), home-automation or parallel processing using multiple boards. One of the main benefits of the EOMA-board is the fact that it can easily be handled by regular users, without fearing ESD-problems. The Improv-board, despite offering decent breakouts, doesn't adhere to this user-level, still requiring an additional case. Considering that like me others saw a place for this development but didn't fully support for various reasons, it might be worth another try to find the required support for this to take off. Say by preparing and starting a crowdfunding campaign offering the EOMA-boards, various breakouts (Improv-type breakout with option of a plastic case, NAS-enclosure with HDD-space, tablet (with room for batteries)) linked to various donation levels, paid pre-installation as a way of turning time into money and finally products like mugs and t-shirts. Even though I'm not fully emerged into the FOSS-community, I believe the Novena project has set an example by creating social presence even before launching the crowdfunding campaing by initially demonstrating skill (overall blog and SD-card analysis) and next showing off the product (e.g. Chaos Communication Congress). This makes me believe that with proper marketing and having a great offer, the community will at least consider supporting this 'project' and better yet fully fund the project. Seeing the EOMA-board as the underlying basis for further efforts, I believe Luke should be (involved in) initiating such an effort, despite all politics involved in the recent debates. (hope I didn't fuel a rant with this e-mail). Kind regards, Nico Rikken, NL

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