arm-netbook April 2014

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Support for sunxi-based ARM systems in d-i
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 07:35:35AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: >> On Sat, 2014-04-26 at 23:25 +0200, Karsten Merker wrote: > >> No uImage is required for sunxi, no uImage is required for sunxi but a uImage is required for *debian installer*. that is after all the whole point of the exercise. ok, sure you can put debian-installer onto an SD card directly but then you will not be able to install the OS onto the SD card because debian installer will be using it. karsten it would seem that you are being mis-advised by people not familiar with debian installer, who think that booting off of pre-prepared images is quotes normal quotes. although it would in some limited cases be useful to boot debian installer without a uImage, it would not be the most helpful thing to the most people. may i respectfully suggest that you speak to henrik nordstrom (hno) - you can find him on #linux-sunxi - and get a uImage up and running that may be loaded over the USB-FEL. henrik and others such as myself have got USB-FEL up and running for a number of A10 and A20 devices: the advantage of boot-installing a device from USB-FEL is that it is simple to do: just plug in to a Micro-USB, load the 1st stage bootloader directly into RAM, load the kernel directly into RAM, load the debian installer uImage directly into RAM, then hit the execute command. instantly you have all the hardware available on which to install a *clean* OS. l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Support for sunxi-based ARM systems in d-i
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Ben Hutchings <ben(a)decadent.org.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 2014-04-27 at 21:04 +0200, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 03:52:36PM +0200, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> >> > >> >> > I am currently working on better support for sunxi-based ARM systems >> >> > in d-i and flash-kernel. Thanks to Ian's backport of the sunxi AHCI >> >> > support from kernel 3.15rc1 into the Debian 3.14 kernel package (as >> >> > of linux-image-3.14-trunk-armmp_3.14.1-1~exp2_armhf.deb, currently >> >> > only available as source in git) it is now possible to run d-i on >> >> > Allwinner A10/A20-based systems like the Cubie{board,board2,truck}. >> >> >> > [snip] >> >> do you have a pre-built option or some instructions for people to follow? >> > >> > Sorry, no. This was an experimental build with all components >> > locally built from development versions in various git/svn >> > repositories. >> >> ok - then can you please document that somewhere, so that other >> people can replicate it and help you out? >> >> > As mentioned in my original mail there is also still the issue of >> > the MMC driver not yet being available in mainline, >> >> that´s ok. forget mainline. if you document what you´ve done then >> others may replicate it on the more stable kernels. > > Luke, Debian uses upstream kernels with minimal backporting. ... which is not yet complete, meaning that that will reach only a small handful of people. if you want to reach more people, thus increasing the probability of more people being in a position to help use upstream kernels with minimal backporting, then bridging the gap between the two would seem like a good idea, would you agree? anyway - i´m done here. you guys are doing ok. i have had to take other work - for the second time now - which places the project that i started on a back-burner until we have sales or funding. so please, feel free to do whatever you choose. l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Support for sunxi-based ARM systems in d-i
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 03:52:36PM +0200, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I am currently working on better support for sunxi-based ARM systems >> > in d-i and flash-kernel. Thanks to Ian's backport of the sunxi AHCI >> > support from kernel 3.15rc1 into the Debian 3.14 kernel package (as >> > of linux-image-3.14-trunk-armmp_3.14.1-1~exp2_armhf.deb, currently >> > only available as source in git) it is now possible to run d-i on >> > Allwinner A10/A20-based systems like the Cubie{board,board2,truck}. >> > [snip] >> do you have a pre-built option or some instructions for people to follow? > > Sorry, no. This was an experimental build with all components > locally built from development versions in various git/svn > repositories. ok - then can you please document that somewhere, so that other people can replicate it and help you out? > As mentioned in my original mail there is also still the issue of > the MMC driver not yet being available in mainline, that´s ok. forget mainline. if you document what you´ve done then others may replicate it on the more stable kernels. l.

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EOMA-68 and EOMA-CF
by Miguel Garcia 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

Hi, Any EOMA (68 or CF) will have more powerful hardware? Is Luke/Rhombus going to focus on EOMA-68 or on EOMA-CF? Is there a new EOMA-68 in the process with more powerful hardware (like Allwinner A80)? What will be the hardware of EOMA-CF? Thanks.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Support for sunxi-based ARM systems in d-i
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I am currently working on better support for sunxi-based ARM systems > in d-i and flash-kernel. Thanks to Ian's backport of the sunxi AHCI > support from kernel 3.15rc1 into the Debian 3.14 kernel package (as > of linux-image-3.14-trunk-armmp_3.14.1-1~exp2_armhf.deb, currently > only available as source in git) it is now possible to run d-i on > Allwinner A10/A20-based systems like the Cubie{board,board2,truck}. hoooraaaaay! congratulations. this is an awesome strategic achievement. it will not stop people doing stupid things like forcing their personal preferred settings onto others when distributing ridiculously large (4gbyte) fixed size root images but it at least provides an alternative... one that is a sub-5mbyte alternative at that. do you have a pre-built option or some instructions for people to follow? l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Another ARM new baby on the market
by Erix 24 Apr '14

24 Apr '14

Hi, for the 2 URL I gave earlier http://http://bananapi.org/# and http://http://www.lemaker.org/ it looks like they point to the same product. for buying it, there are plenty of vendors: http://www.alibaba.com/products/F0/banana_pi/----------------------50/3.html Thanks to Peter Green about his comment about Raspberry Pi's image: " You certainly aren't going to run an unmodified raspberry Pi image on the thing. It's a completely different SoC and will need a different kernel and bootloader. " It's clearly what I thought, but their synthaxes on their websites is deliberately not clear and maintains the ambiguity. Thanks to Peter. I saw somewhere on one of the 2 websites it's an Opensource project and they will "publish" sources for the images (SDCARDs) soon.. we'll see. The things that could be interessting it's examples of using the cameras port and the LVDS port and of course bootloader. so well, "nice.." website but not too much tecnical informations yet.. Bye bye for now Erix

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Another ARM new baby on the market
by Erix 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

Hi everybody, what do you think of this new toy? http://www.lemaker.org/ I must admit their communication is a bit "ambigious", especially when they're talking about the Raspberry Pi compatibility.. if it's about pinout compatibility, I would say great. but on some of their sentences/phrases, we could almost think you could run the same "images" (sdcard) or binaries... from the Raspberry Pi on their "Banana Pi".... They're saying they support Debian, Ubuntu, Android (4.4) but they don't give URL where to find all of these distros.. Caracteristics: CPU A20 ARM® Cortex™-A7 Dual-Core GPU ARM Mali400MP2 Complies with OpenGL ES 2.0/1.1 Memory (SDRAM) 1GB DDR3 (shared with GPU) Onboard Storage SD (Max. 64GB) / MMC card slot UP to 2T on SATA disk Onboard Network 10/100/1000 Ethernet RJ45 (optional USB WIFI Dongle) Camera Input A CSI input connector allows for the connection of a designed camera module Sound Input Mic Video Outputs HDMI, CVBS , LVDS/RGB Audio Output 3.5 mm Jack and HDMI Power Source 5 volt via MicroUSB(DC In Only) and/or MicroUSB (OTG) USB 2.0 Ports 2 (direct from Allwinner A20 chip) Buttons Reset button: Next to MicroUSB connector Power button: Next to Reset button UBoot button (optional): Behind HDMI connector GPIO(2X13) pin: GPIO,UART,I2C bus,SPI bus with two chip selects, CAN bus,ADC,PWM,+3.3v,+5v,ground. LED Power Status LED (Red) Ethernet Status LED (Blue) User Define LED (Green) Remote IR good things: LAN 10/100/1000, Sata, HDMI, CVBS , LVDS/RGB, Camera... Why not? I saw the price around 57/60$ + delivery if I remember well. Will see. Bye bye for now Regards Erix

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Warning: yahoo users postings might be lost
by Alain Williams 14 Apr '14

14 Apr '14

Summary: email sent by users with mailboxes held by yahoo may have their email disappear. This may be mail to a mail list (such as this one) their mail list postings may not be received by other yahoo users and also gmail users & a few others. Yahoo made changes without warning and have caused a huge on-line discussion by mailing list operators. Yahoo broke email lists. This is because at the start of the week Yahoo changed their DMARC settings to ask servers that receive a message with a yahoo.com email address in the From: line to reject it if it isn't properly signed by yahoo, which all messages they send will be. Basically, Yahoo has said that it users are not supposed to use any mailing list configured in the manner that they are often configured in. There are several possible workarounds, but none of them satisfactory. Discussion continues. See: http://www.dmarc.org/ -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Microsoft
by Hrvoje Lasic 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

Microsoft plans to give windows 8.1 licenses for free (or at least I undestand so)for certain devices. These are tablets under 9" and what is more interesting windows embedded and certain windows for IOT (internet of things) that is suppose to be released this spring (but I dont really understand what is it). In best case scenario hardware like EOM68 you make will have more opportunities. But since this is Microsoft I suppose there is a catch somewhere, probably they plan to charge cloud or something else. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/build-2014-a-very-dif… https://www.windowsondevices.com/ <lasich(a)gmail.com>

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MIPI?
by Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

what does it mean for EOMA that small high res displays are switching to MIPI? Context: I was chating to some techys and that was a problem with the display interface of EOMA but then I think I said eoma was lvds when it's this rbg/ttl thing. I got confused. I did say eoma was rbg/ttl later but I didn't get a reply regarding that so I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about hardware wise. (I did tell them.).

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